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No, it was wrong in several respects.

Posted on: August 24, 2025 at 10:17:08 CT
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As those are not positions I hold or have espoused.

“The US is therefore morally and (to Ukraine) verbally/other obligated to fight Russia in Ukraine until Putin retreats, surrenders or otherwise capitulates.”

The US made security assurances to Ukraine. They were morally obligated to honor those assurances. That is not an obligation to fight Russia in Ukraine. It would have been best to honor those assurances prior to Russia taking land (Crimea) by force. It is likely too late to do so at this point.

“There is no time or financial limit to this support and, if enough is given, Putin will undoubtedly be vanquished.”

There are always time and financial limits. On the other hand, Putin could be vanquished given sufficient time/resources, but not through the methods currently being deployed.

“Any conversation of negotiating peace that involves any territorial surrender by Ukraine to Russia is unacceptable policy and immoral.”

Not a position I hold. Ukraine shouldn’t have to give up territory, but they likely will.
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Ukrainian recruit ready for combat - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/24 07:08:23
     haeff, fiji, M and GAT are ready to go - to stop unfairness - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 07:10:09
          Only thing I fight today are the idiots on TB.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 8/24 09:22:12
               And yet you advocate for nuking Russia. nm. - MUTGR MU - 8/24 11:48:09
                    By whom, under what conditions, etc.? - GA Tiger MU - 8/24 12:16:38
                         You tell me what you mean.... - MUTGR MU - 8/24 14:00:24
          90edit. You and FMB don’t understand - haeffb MU - 8/24 08:13:51
               He nails you below now go join up...........nm - tigertix MU - 8/24 09:00:16
                    he's gaslighting and he's trolling (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:06:50
                         Once again, you brought my name into a new thread. - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:09:06
                              not me, i've stated my position clearly and I'm prepared - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:29:33
                                   This seems pretty clear - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:34:18
                                        Clear that you didn't take an option or provide reasons - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:59:17
                                             I’d prefer the latter, but expect the former. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 10:05:13
                                                  so my statement about what I've heard from - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 10:08:26
                                                       No, it was wrong in several respects. - haeffb MU - 8/24 10:17:08
                                                            all of these are self-contradictory (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 10:34:45
                                                                 Sigh. No, they are not. - haeffb MU - 8/24 10:50:55
                                                                      I haven't read this whole thread but why - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 11:12:17
                                                                           Here’s a brief explainer - haeffb MU - 8/24 11:25:23
                                                                                what were the specific security assurances from the US?(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 11:30:37
                                                                                     Nothing specific to the defense of Ukraine - haeffb MU - 8/24 11:44:47
                                                                                          that's very different than "..whatever possible to - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 12:00:16
                                                                                               That’s fine. I don’t demand - haeffb MU - 8/24 12:21:19
                                                                                                    you love talking around things and not facing the practical - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 12:48:01
                                                                                                    Bad analogy, ho. The US didn't promise to protect Ukraine - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 12:46:38
                                                                                                         Fair enough. I’d still feel an obligation. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 12:54:47
                                                                                                              and send your family over to kill his? - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 13:09:00
                                                                                                                   I guess I’d just sit here and feel sad. - haeffb MU - 8/24 13:25:30
                                                                                                                        it would be better if you said what you mean - SwampTiger MU - 8/24 13:51:24
                                                                                               He knows he feels very warm about the idea that Russia - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 12:12:06
                                                                           Because when the USSR dissolved in 1991 - haeffb MU - 8/24 11:21:17
                                                                                RE: Because when the USSR dissolved in 1991 - sarasotatiger MU - 8/24 12:34:40
                                                                                     The agreement didn’t say - haeffb MU - 8/24 12:47:17
               What I hear from you: "Putin is in the wrong and the US is - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:28:40
                    90edit. What you heard from me: "Putin is in the wrong” - haeffb MU - 8/24 08:32:41
                         what does this post imply then - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:37:45
                              It simply answered your question. - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:01:53
                         RE: 90edit. What you heard from me: "Putin is in the wrong” - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:37:06
                              I don’t feel a need to go around agreeing with everything. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:05:16
                                   whatever. I consider you a troll at this point (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:06:26
                                        Glad to be welcomed as a member of your club. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:29:43
                                             this isn't trolling - trolling is what you've done - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 09:32:38
                                                  This is a textbook example of trolling - haeffb MU - 8/24 09:44:24
                         astonishing (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 08:35:22
          RE:Can haeff, fiji, M, GAT: Or any other Ukrainian speakers - BH O'bonga MU - 8/24 07:30:38
               We must back Ukraine at all expense and until Putin - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 07:31:47
                    Ukraine's problem isn't $$$, it's lack of soldiers. - RHAYWORTH MU - 8/24 08:39:15
          Don’t forget Ferg. He’s ready to fight Hungary too(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/24 07:21:14
               oh yeah, because of an AUTHORITARIAN POPULIST! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/24 07:29:11
                    RE: oh yeah, because of an AUTHORITARIAN POPULIST! (nm) - BH O'bonga MU - 8/24 07:32:10




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