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That’s not what is being discussed so I’m not

Posted on: February 28, 2025 at 11:04:24 CT
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going there. The question at hand is this situation with Putin. We took a side and changed the trajectory of this from the beginning. You can argue that was good or bad, but it was done. So now we are left with continuing the status que, and where that will lead, stop supporting Ukraine entirely and where that will lead, or try and broker a cease fire end to the war, and what it will take to get that.

If we choose the latter, which is happening, this notion that we hold all the cards and Trump should be able to make Putin roll over and say sorry, is just complete left wing partisan bullshyt.
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critical day for ukraine and the usa ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:13:03
     I stopped worrying about the Russians after Rocky IV(nm) - NPDTiger MU - 2/28 11:37:55
     you’re a drama queen (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:08:13
     RE: critical day for ukraine and the usa ... - sarasotatiger MU - 2/28 11:03:37
          mineral rights development by american companies ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 11:22:51
               RE: mineral rights development by american companies ... - sarasotatiger MU - 2/28 13:06:29
               lol.. maybe the last thing you want - Seagull MU - 2/28 12:45:11
     Sorry, but why should USA steal from Ukraine - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:31:20
          The USA is the only reason they didn't get rolled in a week. - TheWildcat MU - 2/28 11:19:49
          Ukraine wants protection. Trump said give us a reason... - North co-co champs MU - 2/28 11:02:17
               RE: Ukraine wants protection. Trump said give us a reason... - sarasotatiger MU - 2/28 11:05:31
                    I don’t disagree (nm) - North co-co champs MU - 2/28 11:08:24
          daddy needs a new pair of shoes(nm) - NPDTiger MU - 2/28 10:58:43
          If we were truly an impartial 3rd party negotiator, then - Outsider MU - 2/28 10:50:32
               So since we took their side - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:53:17
                    Because the guy who is now trying to negotiate an end to - Outsider MU - 2/28 10:55:45
                         RE: Because the guy who is now trying to negotiate an end to - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:57:51
                              That’s not what is being discussed so I’m not - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:04:24
                                   RE: That’s not what is being discussed so I’m not - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:07:35
                                        So when you say “peace out” and Russia says ok, get the - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:13:39
                                             RE: So when you say “peace out” and Russia says ok, get the - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:15:48
                                                  Sure, let’s discuss, what are we providing? (nm) - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:17:15
                                                       I have no idea - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:19:57
                                                            Ok, and shouldn’t they? If we were being attacked or - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:23:25
                                                                 We agree on this - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:25:24
                                                                      Again, it’s all in how you see our financial support of - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:27:05
                                                                           In terms of the future? - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:33:29
                                                                                Does one pay a 3rd party negotiator for their service? - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:40:29
                              That was American taxpayer money given back to American - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 11:02:04
                                   taxes (stolen money) - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:03:31
                                        You make an investment to get a return, do you not? (nm) - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:06:14
                                             I do not expect - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:08:16
                                                  You don’t but that’s not how the people making the deal - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:15:08
          Trying to make up for the idiocy of the previous admin. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:35:53
               Congress, not the President, provided - haeffb MU - 2/28 11:03:21
                    you mean a left leaning congress supported the wishes - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:08:24
                         No, I mean idiot Presidents do not send blank checks (nm) - haeffb MU - 2/28 11:12:42
                              Which is what happened. (nm) - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:15:57
               But you are stealing to get that money back - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:40:24
                    Where would this situation be right now had we done - Outsider MU - 2/28 10:53:44
                         Good questions - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:56:54
                    reparations are not stealing but rather compensation(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:46:26
                         Look at where the reparations come from - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:49:19
                              i have no idea what you're talking about ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 11:26:27
                                   RE: i have no idea what you're talking about ... - meatiger MU - 2/28 11:34:53
                                        mineral rights do not mean payment of debt per se ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 11:52:02
                              They coming from out of the ground in Ukraine.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:50:37
                    WTF are you talking about? If Ukraine does not like the - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:42:49
                         RE: WTF are you talking about? If Ukraine does not like the - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:46:07
                              You are meating it once again. They are Ukranian materials - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:49:49
          reparations are for the millions we have sent ukraine(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:34:16
               millions? (nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:37:41
                    estimate is $300 billion(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:40:19
                         that is a lot of millions - meatiger MU - 2/28 10:40:39
                              300,000 of them to be exact.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:46:41
                              yes, i confused college qb pay with ukraine aid(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:44:23
               what about the trillions the US has sent to Israel - Seagull MU - 2/28 10:36:09
                    the jewish state has nothing to do with ukraine(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:39:29
                         it's the same tax dollars. even more - Seagull MU - 2/28 10:53:10
                              ^^^^^This ^^^^^ - glue MU - 2/28 12:05:38
                              how can it be the same tax dollars when one ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 11:32:30
                    You don’t expect payback from your masters.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/28 10:37:25
          Uh, they have been stealing from you and I(nm) - AWOLTiger KC - 2/28 10:34:06
     5. We gradually withdraw from NATO.....nm - tigertix MU - 2/28 10:23:08
          i expect ukraine will have a place in nato(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:41:01
               Only if we are hoping to instigate another Russian invasion - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/28 10:51:49
     Putin will win, everyone else will be disappointed (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/28 10:18:02
          What is a Putin "win"? - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:21:53
               RE: What is a Putin "win"? - sarasotatiger MU - 2/28 11:09:12
                    That seems reasonable.. so a return to 2021 is a "win" - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:29:25
               The undue influence he now has on American policy and - FIJItiger MU - 2/28 10:45:09
                    Did the 1980's call and want their foreign policy back? - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:53:57
                         They installed and control our current president, and - FIJItiger MU - 2/28 11:14:59
                              You are factually ignorant yet again - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:27:43
               No one stops him from taking over Ukraine in pieces. - GA Tiger MU - 2/28 10:29:00
                    You mean like when Obama let him take over Crimea?(nm) - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:41:10
                    Is Ukraine our neighbor? Do we have some relation - AWOLTiger KC - 2/28 10:37:37
                         jesus, we're back to 1930s america(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:41:44
                              why are you a coward, bob? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:08:51
                              GOOD! YES! THANK YOU!!!!!!(nm) - AWOLTiger KC - 2/28 10:43:06
                    What does Ukraine do for us? (nm) - Logan STL - 2/28 10:34:31
                         they are the euro breadbasket ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:43:11
                              and why would Americans care about that? - Seagull MU - 2/28 11:16:47
                              Your key word there. EURO.(nm) - AWOLTiger KC - 2/28 10:44:10
                    that’s Ukraine’s business, no one else’s (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:32:49
          Sorry you lost your proxy war(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 2/28 10:21:15
               He's hard coded - Wildcat KSU - 2/28 10:26:29
          So if Trump strikes a deal and ends the war you'll be - Logan STL - 2/28 10:21:13
               Yes. I don’t like American being so controlled by - FIJItiger MU - 2/28 10:44:02
     For all the predictable bytching and partisan attacks from - Outsider MU - 2/28 10:17:33
          the russian economy is in shambles ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:38:41
               All that may be true, but at the end of the day… - Outsider MU - 2/28 10:43:17
                    you would have to define "something"(nm) - tmcats KSU - 2/28 10:48:34
                         It’s pretty simple, “something” Putin finds value in… - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:21:24
                              you seem to making two conflicting points ... - tmcats KSU - 2/28 11:29:15
                                   Then there is no need for us to be involved. Let the - Outsider MU - 2/28 11:47:06
          And, biden has no leverage, having shown for - GA Tiger MU - 2/28 10:31:48
               if only he could have started WWIII sooner - Seagull MU - 2/28 10:35:33
          Biden's goal was regime change in Russia which meant - tigertix MU - 2/28 10:25:17
               Thats hard to believe. How the hell could he expect - GA Tiger MU - 2/28 10:41:01
                    He said it on numerous occasions, and did nothing, what the - tigertix MU - 2/28 11:20:06
                    and who would replace Putin? - Seagull MU - 2/28 11:19:21




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