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Trump is not amending the Constitution. Much like in Roe,

Posted on: January 23, 2025 at 16:08:46 CT
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SCOTUS erred in US v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898 and this SCOTUS will (hopefully) remedy that error.

Slaughterhouse had the correct interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

Even in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the 1898 case most often cited by “birthright” supporters due to its overbroad language, the court only held that a child born of lawful, permanent residents was a U.S. citizen. That is a far cry from saying that a child born of individuals who are here illegally must be considered a U.S. citizen.

Federal law offers "birthright" supporters no help either. U.S. immigration law (8 U.S.C. § 1401) simply repeats the language of the 14th Amendment, including the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country.
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     why are you stupid? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/23 19:14:58
     Nothing gets by you(nm) - Panthera MU - 1/23 17:27:44
     The whole purpose was to get it into courts, and then the - shorty MU - 1/23 17:09:58
          SCOTUS probably won't even grant certiorari on this, - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/23 18:49:42
               I wouldn't bet much money on that............... - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 1/23 19:44:10
          ^^^Yes^^^ what it was written for....The 1st and 2nd apply - tigertix MU - 1/23 17:32:36
     another octogenarian in govt (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 17:03:32
          Like the almost octagenarian that signed the EO? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/23 18:50:27
               no, it's right there in your post (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 19:48:54
          Yes, he's 83 and nowhere to go except on the bench like - tigertix MU - 1/23 17:38:19
               RE: Yes, he's 83 and nowhere to go except on the bench like - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 17:52:12
     did you know - 90Tiger STL - 1/23 16:57:43
     "A judge is a perpetual law student who grades their own - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 1/23 16:33:15
     RE: Federal judge denies Trump can amend the Constitution - Outsider MU - 1/23 16:20:25
     Trump is not amending the Constitution. Much like in Roe, - Spanky KU - 1/23 16:08:46
          No. SCOTUS shouldnt hear this case, it's so bad. Of course, - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/23 18:54:23
          this is correct. There are elements of Kim Ark that the - 90Tiger STL - 1/23 16:58:52
          Even if they say the kid is a citizen. The parents are not(nm) - tman MU - 1/23 16:13:24
               Where do people (millions) , like Vivek, who were born here - pinkman MU - 1/23 16:53:19
                    Vivek was born to legal residents and his mother - 90Tiger STL - 1/23 17:00:54
                         So basically, he wouldn't be a citizen under this EO sonce - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/23 18:56:56
                         Legal residence of parents could be a possible definition nm - pinkman MU - 1/23 17:08:21
                              Apparently it can be whatever you want, textualism be damned - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/23 18:58:28
                         if the EO were in affect when he was born, he wouldn't be - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 17:06:50
                              I know, his mom did become a citizen "shortly after" he was - 90Tiger STL - 1/23 18:03:10
                              Are you certain his parents were not citizens or - Spanky KU - 1/23 17:25:43
                                   they weren't citizens, but not certain of visa/greencard - SwampTiger MU - 1/23 17:44:10
                         He was born to two Indian citizens in America - Columbian Gold MU - 1/23 17:03:34
                              RE: He was born to two Indian citizens in America - 90Tiger STL - 1/23 18:03:46
                    RE: Where do people (millions) , like Vivek, who were born here - Outsider MU - 1/23 16:59:57
               That is not what the EO is about - Spanky KU - 1/23 16:26:02
     Brilliant move by Trump to get the discussion started... - Logan STL - 1/23 16:07:12
          Exactly - this is what he was looking to have done - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/23 16:29:33
          Forcing it to SCOTUS is a very wise move - BigDave MU - 1/23 16:11:15




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