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https://1000wordphilosophy.com/2021/07/14/hobbes-on-the-state-of-nature/

1. The State of Nature
Hobbes imagines what life would be like in the “state of nature,” a hypothetical world without governments.

Hobbes thinks all humans are equal when it comes to matters of survival. Nobody is powerful enough to be immune to attack. Even the weakest person can kill the strongest if there’s nobody around to stop them.[3]

In the state of nature, this equal ability to kill each other leads to mistrust. All of your belongings, and your life itself, might be taken at any moment, because there is no greater power to stop anyone from attacking you.

Some people would attack you because they need your resources to survive. Others would attack you because they want to be more powerful than everyone else. Even those who don’t need or want to attack you are a danger, because they can’t trust that you will leave them alone, so to be safe, they must attack you first.[4]

The end result is that the state of nature consists of a war of all against all.[5] You must constantly be ready to fight, even if you’d prefer not to, because the only way to ensure your safety is to go after others before they go after you.[6]

In this state of nature, projects like farming, manufacturing, science, and the arts are a waste of time, because there’s no guarantee you’ll enjoy the fruits of your labor. Someone can take it from you at any moment. Everyone lives in “continual fear and danger of violent death.”[7] It’s awful!

Hobbes says that if you doubt it would be so bad, think about how you act under your existing government. Even with the police just a phone call away, don’t you lock your doors when you sleep at night?

According to Hobbes, if you can’t trust your neighbors to leave you alone even when there are laws against theft and assault, imagine how much worse it would be if people were free to do anything they thought was necessary to survive in the state of nature.[8]

2. Hobbes’s Solution
If life in the state of nature would be intolerable, then what is the solution? To escape the state of nature, Hobbes proposes that it would be rational to establish a government.[9]

Hobbes thinks that humans are rational creatures, and we can all see that it would be better if we agreed not to rob from and murder each other.[10] But without a government, these agreements will fall apart, because there’s nobody to ensure that all parties stick to the deal. In the state of nature, agreements “are but words.”[11]

To secure peace, we will need to form a government that is strong enough to enforce these agreements, says Hobbes. We do this by forming a special sort of contract or agreement with each other.

The contract Hobbes imagines goes like this: if everyone else agrees to obey some sovereign ruler, you too will obey that sovereign.[12]

This creates a government ruled by a sovereign that we have all agreed to obey. The sovereign will make and enforce laws. Chaos will be replaced with order.[13]

According to Hobbes, the state of nature is so terrible that any sovereign will do, as long as it can protect you.[14] You must obey the sovereign whether it is a king, an aristocracy, or a democracy, even if the sovereign passes oppressive laws that you dislike.[15] Even under an oppressive sovereign there can be trade, and art, and industry, and you won’t have to worry that your neighbor will murder you.

In order to keep the peace, Hobbes thinks the sovereign must have power over everything: the army, the treasury, the judiciary, what’s taught in schools, and anything else that it needs to prevent the state of nature.[16]

Hobbes thinks that these powers are all linked together: if the sovereign doesn’t control the army, it’s no use to control the judiciary, because they can’t enforce the laws. If they don’t control the money, they can’t pay the army. If they don’t control the schools, people will be taught false things that will cause them to rebel.[17]

3. Hobbes’s Legacy
Hobbes’s theory defends the right of rulers to do anything, and leaves little space for citizens to object. Unless the sovereign is not powerful enough to protect us from the state of nature, we have a duty to obey completely.

This means that Hobbes’s views are very deferential to government authority. Indeed, Hobbes wanted to defend the English government of his time against rebellion. For this reason, most contemporary philosophers disagree with Hobbes’s overall theory.

But Hobbes also planted the seeds of what was, at the time, a very revolutionary approach to government. Indeed, one of Hobbes’s contemporaries accused the Leviathan of being a “rebel’s catechism”—a book that would teach people to rebel.[18]

Hobbes’s views were revolutionary because he sees the sovereign as created by equal individuals, each acting freely and rationally in their own self-interest. Sovereigns, according to Hobbes, are not appointed by god, nor is anyone naturally suited to rule over the rest.

Hobbes argues that sovereigns are created by the people for their sake, and the only reason the people should obey is that the sovereign keeps them safe. If the sovereign doesn’t defend your life, you are justified in rebelling.[19]

The ideas that the government must justify its power over its citizens in terms that are good for them, and that only consent of the governed justifies governmental authority, were revolutionary at Hobbes’s time, and many still find them compelling today.
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Anarchism without Hyphens - pickle MU - 1/6 09:29:02
     RE: Anarchism without Hyphens - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/6 10:51:43
     To an anarchist, the "state of nature" is preferable.. - Spanky KU - 1/6 10:26:40
          No. Anarchists aren’t some monolithic group. Hobbes was - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 10:43:11
               That is not what is argued by Hobbes. - Spanky KU - 1/6 10:51:32
                    Go read Leviathan. Hobbes argues that people are depraved. - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 11:10:26
                         Nope - Spanky KU - 1/6 11:22:41
                              You keep posting the same inaccurate summary over and over. - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 11:37:30
                                   why would 'depraved men' enter into a 'social contract'? - Spanky KU - 1/6 11:43:44
                                        Because even depraved men realize there are stronger - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 11:57:45
                                        wait.. you think men enter into this so-called - Seagull MU - 1/6 11:57:13
     Anarchism without rank stupidity - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/6 10:25:31
          It is not an unreasonable theory.... it depends on - Spanky KU - 1/6 10:35:44
               no, that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 1/6 11:31:17
                    RE: no, that’s incorrect (nm) - Spanky KU - 1/6 11:44:12
               There is no presumption in anarchy that “all men will act - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 10:44:39
                    There certainly is.(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/6 10:52:49
                         You are completely wrong, warped by Catholic dogma of - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 11:13:07
                              How does an anarchist deal with a "Liberty Valance"? - Spanky KU - 1/6 11:24:16
                                   Who says there is one single answer? Your entire worldview - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 11:52:27
                                        "cooperatively denying the sale of goods and services to - Spanky KU - 1/6 11:58:38
                                             And if they can’t access the roads, can’t buy fuel from - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 12:04:16
                                                  Who stops Liberty Valance from using the road and taking - Spanky KU - 1/6 12:42:47
                                                       You aren’t thinking well. The owners of the road and - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 12:58:28
                                        Nice laydown. Answer the question. - Spanky KU - 1/6 11:56:58
                                             I already did. You can’t grasp that not everyone has the - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 12:02:38
                                                  Who has the right/authority to "exile" Liberty Valance?(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/6 12:03:54
                                                       The property owners. You seem to not understand the concept - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 12:05:06
                                                            what can the property owners do when Liberty Valance - Spanky KU - 1/6 12:14:39
                                                                 Defend your property, just like today, but without having - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 12:17:50
                                                                      Shoot Liberty Valance? - Spanky KU - 1/6 12:51:21
                                                                           Sure, why not… though it most likely would be contracted - TigerMatt KC - 1/6 12:55:35
                                                                                So a contract killing that would (likely) spur a revenge - Spanky KU - 1/6 13:38:16
     RE: Anarchism without Hyphens - MUTGR MU - 1/6 10:06:37
          ok (nm) - pickle MU - 1/6 10:55:49
     would the hyphen just represent personal preference? - SwampTiger MU - 1/6 09:44:22
          the author thinks so - pickle MU - 1/6 10:05:08




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