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The Catholic Church did not prohibit abortion before

Posted on: June 13, 2024 at 02:42:42 CT
TigerMatt STL
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the quickening until 1869. The reasoning Pope Pius IX used is that while they couldn’t know when ensoulment happened, it is possible it could happen at conception, so better be safe than sorry.

Again, no scriptural defense for this change of position. The entire belief that it happened at the quickening originated from Aristotelian beliefs on ensoulment.

Pythagoreans believed ensoulment was at conception, Aristotelians at the quickening, and Stoics at birth.

The Old Testament establishes fully human at birth. There are no exceptions made to executing an adulterous woman if she were pregnant.

The Catholic prohibition against abortion is not based upon scripture. That’s fine as long as it isn’t claimed to be backed by scripture.
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Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:47:19
     RE: Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - Spanky KU - 6/12 20:42:28
          Ecclesiastes 11:5 - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:59:54
               St. Augustine and St Aquinas are not in the Bible(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 22:25:46
                    Great. Neither is a zygote a human being. Adam did - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:36:05
                         Life begins at conception - Spanky KU - 6/12 22:43:55
                              The process of human development begins at conception. That - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:58:13
                                   Wrong. Scientists agree….Human life begins at fertilization - Spanky KU - 6/12 23:24:31
                                        Say I put a gun to your head. I stick a swab in your mouth - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 00:13:23
                                        You keep posting the same stupid crap, but you - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 23:51:48
                                             Life begins at conception... science and the Bible agree - Spanky KU - 6/13 10:06:33
                                                  Life =/= human being… dumba$$. And the Bible says - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 10:46:33
               BTW, we do “ know how the breath comes to the bones in the - Spanky KU - 6/12 21:59:33
                    No you don’t.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:22:39
               Point to the Book of Aquinas or Augustine in the Bible - Spanky KU - 6/12 21:57:14
                    Point a human being exists at conception in scripture.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:19:57
                         Jeremiah 1:5(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 22:24:01
                              Nope. That says nothing about conception. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:33:57
               So do you now agree with Augustine? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 21:10:12
                    I’m pointing out that those theologians Catholics hold with - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 21:12:40
                         Augustine was giving his best guess, which was based upon - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:21:53
                              You don’t have scriptural evidence. Just dogma. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 21:27:26
                                   What part of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' don't you understand? - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:36:22
                                        Please don’t misquote the 10 Commandments. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:14:00
                                             You are being silly by using one translation of the Bible & - JeffB MU - 6/12 23:42:45
                                                  The Catholic Church did not prohibit abortion before - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 02:42:42
                                                       That is a blatant lie. The Church has always prohibited abor - JeffB MU - 6/13 11:08:38
                                                            Wrong. It wasn’t considered alive until the quickening - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 12:29:42
                                                  BTW, I have 32 English translations of the Bible. You just - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 00:41:25
                                                  A single human cell is not a human being. You keep ignoring - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 00:22:21
                                             Don't use any of the Bible since you don't believe it(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 22:27:31
                                                  What I don’t believe is your stupid interpretations based - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:34:48
          How can you say that it is a human life at conception, which - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 20:51:08
     When ensoulment occurs would have to be revealed by God - JeffB MU - 6/12 20:23:15
          It is pure speculation that ensoulment occurs at - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:26:35
               There are all kinds of questions in the world that science - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:06:58
                    Except that isn’t clear. Potentiality is not the same as an - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 21:11:30
                         Embryologists, the scientists who study such things know for - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:51:43
                              Wrong. Don’t lie about what they claim. The zygote is - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:28:13
     you are an evil imbecile(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 20:21:47
     RE: Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - AWOLTiger KC - 6/12 19:40:30
     I'm Catholic and I have no idea. nm. - MUTGR MU - 6/12 19:31:30
          I’m not and nor do I. Multiple verses in Genesis point - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:54:59
     RE: Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/12 19:21:18
          LOL. nm. - MUTGR MU - 6/12 21:20:14
          LOL I haven’t seen that in so long.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 19:25:53
               Same - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:34:23
               I remember seeing it in the theater and just dying laughing. - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/12 19:30:18
     Perhaps they don't know for sure - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:11:37
          lol, just say "i dunno, good point" and take the L (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 19:26:34
               Interesting, the person who asked sort of liked the response - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:28:34
                    I'm not Matt, in case you didn't notice. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 20:37:26
                         I did notice - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 20:44:39
                              It is a discussion board - meatiger MU - 6/12 21:14:11
                              No, Matt said your response was "reasonable (if applied to) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 20:48:36
                                   I did read it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 20:52:25
                                        "Reasonable answer for an individual" - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 20:53:53
                                             He disagreed with where I took the answer - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 20:56:13
                                                  you're confused here, 4Tigs (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 21:13:05
                                                       No, Matt wrote the OP - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 21:18:01
                                                            I responded to you, 4Tigs, about your post -the one - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 21:26:55
                                                                 So what loss did I take? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 21:29:57
                    I think it is fine for the individual. But for a church - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:22:22
          Reasonable answer for an individual. IVF doesn’t require - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 19:24:06
               You is dumb - Spanky KU - 6/12 20:45:33
               Three would be a lot to handle at the infant stage - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:30:21




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