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Posted on: June 12, 2024 at 23:42:45 CT
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accusing others of 'misquoting' the Scriptures who use another version.

Thou shalt not kill. Exodus 20:13
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20%3A13&version=DRA

Thou shalt not kill. Deuteronomy 5:17
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+5%3A17&version=DRA

"It is an assumption that a human cell is the same thing as a human being."

No, you obviously refuse to read the scientific information that is given to you, such as in the link I provided & printed excerpts of.
There is an undeniable consensus, for almost a century now that a new human being comes into existence at conception. That is the one and only ontological change in that being's life until death. Two cells with 23 chromosomes each combine into a new being with 46 chromosomes. That new being has a human mother and a human father. It is no mere "assumption" that that being is a human being.

If you want to dialogue, you need to at least have the courtesy of listening to the person you are dialoguing with. Look at the evidence presented to you from top scientists around the world, particularly embryologists who study life in its earliest stages.

https://prolifepages.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/when-does-human-life-begin/

The testimony of the top experts from around the world assembled for hearings before a U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee Hearings on the question, “When Does Human Life Begin?”, April 23-24, 1981 all came to the same, unanimous, unambiguous answer — Human life begins at conception. A few quotes:

Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life began at conception.

* “Father of Modern Genetics” Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: “To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion … it is plain experimental evidence.”

* Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

* Dr. Richard V. Jaynes: “To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous.”

* Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the “Father of In Vitro Fertilization” notes, “Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind.” And on the Supreme Court ruling _Roe v. Wade_, “To deny a truth {about when life begins} should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion.”

* Professor Eugene Diamond: “…either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty.”

For those who might prefer a more thorough, scientific explanation, please see Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.’s article:

When do human beings (normally) begin?
“scientific” myths and scientific facts
http://lifeissues.net/writers/irv/irv_01lifebegin1.html
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Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:47:19
     RE: Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - Spanky KU - 6/12 20:42:28
          Ecclesiastes 11:5 - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:59:54
               St. Augustine and St Aquinas are not in the Bible(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 22:25:46
                    Great. Neither is a zygote a human being. Adam did - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:36:05
                         Life begins at conception - Spanky KU - 6/12 22:43:55
                              The process of human development begins at conception. That - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:58:13
                                   Wrong. Scientists agree….Human life begins at fertilization - Spanky KU - 6/12 23:24:31
                                        Say I put a gun to your head. I stick a swab in your mouth - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 00:13:23
                                        You keep posting the same stupid crap, but you - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 23:51:48
                                             Life begins at conception... science and the Bible agree - Spanky KU - 6/13 10:06:33
                                                  Life =/= human being… dumba$$. And the Bible says - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 10:46:33
               BTW, we do “ know how the breath comes to the bones in the - Spanky KU - 6/12 21:59:33
                    No you don’t.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:22:39
               Point to the Book of Aquinas or Augustine in the Bible - Spanky KU - 6/12 21:57:14
                    Point a human being exists at conception in scripture.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:19:57
                         Jeremiah 1:5(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 22:24:01
                              Nope. That says nothing about conception. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:33:57
               So do you now agree with Augustine? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 21:10:12
                    I’m pointing out that those theologians Catholics hold with - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 21:12:40
                         Augustine was giving his best guess, which was based upon - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:21:53
                              You don’t have scriptural evidence. Just dogma. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 21:27:26
                                   What part of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' don't you understand? - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:36:22
                                        Please don’t misquote the 10 Commandments. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:14:00
                                             You are being silly by using one translation of the Bible & - JeffB MU - 6/12 23:42:45
                                                  The Catholic Church did not prohibit abortion before - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 02:42:42
                                                       That is a blatant lie. The Church has always prohibited abor - JeffB MU - 6/13 11:08:38
                                                            Wrong. It wasn’t considered alive until the quickening - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 12:29:42
                                                  BTW, I have 32 English translations of the Bible. You just - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 00:41:25
                                                  A single human cell is not a human being. You keep ignoring - TigerMatt STL - 6/13 00:22:21
                                             Don't use any of the Bible since you don't believe it(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 22:27:31
                                                  What I don’t believe is your stupid interpretations based - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:34:48
          How can you say that it is a human life at conception, which - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 20:51:08
     When ensoulment occurs would have to be revealed by God - JeffB MU - 6/12 20:23:15
          It is pure speculation that ensoulment occurs at - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:26:35
               There are all kinds of questions in the world that science - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:06:58
                    Except that isn’t clear. Potentiality is not the same as an - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 21:11:30
                         Embryologists, the scientists who study such things know for - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:51:43
                              Wrong. Don’t lie about what they claim. The zygote is - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 22:28:13
     you are an evil imbecile(nm) - TigerFan92 A - 6/12 20:21:47
     RE: Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - AWOLTiger KC - 6/12 19:40:30
     I'm Catholic and I have no idea. nm. - MUTGR MU - 6/12 19:31:30
          I’m not and nor do I. Multiple verses in Genesis point - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:54:59
     RE: Questions for Catholics. Does God really ensoul a zygote - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/12 19:21:18
          LOL. nm. - MUTGR MU - 6/12 21:20:14
          LOL I haven’t seen that in so long.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 19:25:53
               Same - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:34:23
               I remember seeing it in the theater and just dying laughing. - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/12 19:30:18
     Perhaps they don't know for sure - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:11:37
          lol, just say "i dunno, good point" and take the L (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 19:26:34
               Interesting, the person who asked sort of liked the response - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:28:34
                    I'm not Matt, in case you didn't notice. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 20:37:26
                         I did notice - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 20:44:39
                              It is a discussion board - meatiger MU - 6/12 21:14:11
                              No, Matt said your response was "reasonable (if applied to) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 20:48:36
                                   I did read it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 20:52:25
                                        "Reasonable answer for an individual" - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 20:53:53
                                             He disagreed with where I took the answer - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 20:56:13
                                                  you're confused here, 4Tigs (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 21:13:05
                                                       No, Matt wrote the OP - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 21:18:01
                                                            I responded to you, 4Tigs, about your post -the one - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 21:26:55
                                                                 So what loss did I take? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 21:29:57
                    I think it is fine for the individual. But for a church - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 20:22:22
          Reasonable answer for an individual. IVF doesn’t require - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 19:24:06
               You is dumb - Spanky KU - 6/12 20:45:33
               Three would be a lot to handle at the infant stage - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 19:30:21




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