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Posted on: February 19, 2024 at 13:43:31 CT
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Laws of nature are objective. You may fully believe if you jump from a 100 story building you will float like a feather to the ground. But if you jump, gravity is going to work and you are going to make a rapid descent to the ground. You might think men can have babies or can menstruate. They cannot, regardless of the sincerity of your belief to the contrary. Why? There are objective facts that cannot be overcome.

Our legal system is subjective. Just as at one time it was illegal for blacks and whites to marry, with the passage of new laws or removal of old ones, what was considered a crime can change. You may agree with it. You may disagree with it. But in our system a crime is what the law says it is. For some of you, natural law is your measure and oddly you expect all to simply follow it because you declare it is the standard that should be used for the reasons you believe it to be so. You are no different than any others. You simply hold firmly that your standard is the proven "right" standard that all should be held to while criticizing others for having their standard. And you seem blind to that fact. But crime, what is legal and illegal, and how to deal with those things are all parts of a dynamic and subjective system that can and does change over time.
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Let me try and make this clear - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 13:43:31
     you are confusing crime with law and “legal system” - pickle MU - 2/19 14:31:58
     Obviously, you haven't talked to pickle enough. - *M* KC - 2/19 14:21:50
          All they ever do is explain why they think their standard is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:24:15
               And it's interesting, because they claim to be all in for - *M* KC - 2/19 14:49:24
                    And you have to agree with them becasue their standard is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 15:00:10
                         "We hold these opinions to be the best, that all men are - CulturedDan MU - 2/19 15:24:06
                              Those are indeed truths - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 16:09:55
                         Yup. There is a real totalitarian aspect to their beliefs(nm) - *M* KC - 2/19 15:17:30
                    nobody said you aren't free to be a liar and a fraud - ashtray UF - 2/19 14:50:53
               false (nm) - pickle MU - 2/19 14:36:19
          Why should those who do not agree with natural law - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:13:54
               (a) because it's nature, just like your jump off the - ummmm MU - 2/19 14:21:27
                    Then why do men steal and kill and the like - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:23:30
                         Natural law doesn't say that humans will never steal or - ummmm MU - 2/19 14:31:51
               groundhog day - CulturedDan MU - 2/19 14:18:53
                    And no one ever answers that question other than - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:21:59
                         odd stance for a guy with your religious beliefs (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/19 19:46:07
                         either you believe in the founding principles of this - ashtray UF - 2/19 14:30:58
                         it's not their standard. - CulturedDan MU - 2/19 14:25:59
               Are suggesting that infringements should/could be legal?(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:18:42
          He did a great job of comparing - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:05:59
     Here, here - and in these times it's becoming clear - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 2/19 13:52:58
          Link - hokie VT - 2/19 14:02:17
     Everyone understands what laws are and what is legal and - meatiger MU - 2/19 13:50:38
          And rethinking crime is not a bad idea - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 13:52:37
               translation: i will not think for myself (nm) - pickle MU - 2/19 14:32:56
               no, you're just conflating legal definitions with the real - ashtray UF - 2/19 14:32:27
               Question for you: Do boats float? (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/19 14:05:48
                    If constructed properly, maintained properly, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:12:36
                         Wrong. In Missouri, boats don't have to float - ummmm MU - 2/19 14:18:44
                              You didn't ask if a boat has to float - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:25:36
                                   So, you would look at a large non-floating facility - ummmm MU - 2/19 14:32:59
                                        If the law calls it as such, then for the purpose of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:58:33
                                        if the law says so - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:35:40
                                             From the legal standpoint, yes, exactly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:59:02
               Actually, it is what is being done - meatiger MU - 2/19 13:59:28
                    Rethinking crime is a worthy pursuit - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/19 14:02:54
                         lol no. it’s an application of reason and logic (nm) - pickle MU - 2/19 14:33:43
                         Not really - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:04:15
                    RE: Actually, it is what is being done - MOCO SON MU - 2/19 14:01:21
                         How is it emotional - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:02:54
                              RE: How is it emotional - MOCO SON MU - 2/19 14:05:37
                                   So any time there is any infringement - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:06:59
                                        RE: So any time there is any infringement - MOCO SON MU - 2/19 14:08:45
                                             that is a different thing - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:10:04
                                                  RE: that is a different thing - MOCO SON MU - 2/19 14:12:11
                                                       that is a good question - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:17:14
                                                            RE: that is a good question - MOCO SON MU - 2/19 14:23:53
                                                                 tbh, do not really have one - meatiger MU - 2/19 14:29:57




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