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It's a tricky subject indeed. I know the Ashtray/pickle

Posted on: September 28, 2022 at 14:29:18 CT
CulturedDan MU
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view, I fall closer to ummmmm's view.


I disagree with pickle and Ashtray, but I respect their opinion because they are approaching the question from a consistent definition and worldview.
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who, if not you, has a superior claim to your life, body, - pickle MU - 9/28 12:39:05
     First question. Why is this not on the shack (nm) - tman MU - 9/28 13:27:16
     So abortion is a violation of the rights of the unborn child - JeffB MU - 9/28 13:22:01
          I believe in natural rights. - dangertim MU - 9/28 13:31:37
               I appreciate the way you worded it. Two people believing in - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 14:02:55
                    The mother's right to self-ownership does not include - JeffB MU - 9/28 14:50:28
                         incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/28 15:47:58
                         That adage is ignoring the very point in my post. A man - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 15:18:55
                    It's a tricky subject indeed. I know the Ashtray/pickle - dangertim MU - 9/28 14:29:18
                         My issue is this - meatiger MU - 9/28 15:07:51
                    Don't you think expressing the fetus as a parasite has - Logan BAMA - 9/28 14:11:49
                         biologically, there isn't a negative connotation(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/28 14:31:17
                              I think that's where conservatives miss the boat... - Logan BAMA - 9/28 14:56:29
                                   I think the common definition does have a negative - cnk ATL - 9/28 15:32:23
                                        My favorite - meatiger MU - 9/28 15:36:11
                                             I think the emotion you see is anger... - Logan BAMA - 9/28 15:55:15
                                                  I see data constantly misrepresented by both left and right - meatiger MU - 9/28 16:09:14
                                             I think conservatives that don't show empathy - Logan BAMA - 9/28 15:52:03
                                                  you are correct that - meatiger MU - 9/28 15:54:37
                                   How are you defining conservatives - meatiger MU - 9/28 15:12:25
                                        In this case... - Logan BAMA - 9/28 15:20:33
                                             How does one define long time ago socially traditional - meatiger MU - 9/28 15:34:51
                                                  The values set forth by my parents and the generations - Logan BAMA - 9/28 16:00:31
                                                       That is nonsensical(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 16:06:47
                                                            Why? (nm) - Logan BAMA - 9/28 16:54:19
                                                                 There is nothing of detail in what you said - meatiger MU - 9/28 17:33:29
                                                                      Imo...I've never seen a free society... - Logan BAMA - 9/28 17:53:46
                         no, it is a parasitic relationship - pickle MU - 9/28 14:13:50
                              I didn't say it wasn't a host relationship. Just know - Logan BAMA - 9/28 14:16:19
                                   then i have no idea what your issue is - pickle MU - 9/28 14:44:39
                                        I have no issue with it...just interjecting a point of view. - Logan BAMA - 9/28 14:59:04
                                             oh, you’re about civility now? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 15:18:20
                                                  I see you're still not. (nm) - Logan BAMA - 9/28 15:21:38
                    I think you put it better than he put it. You have my vote(nm) - Toger STL - 9/28 14:07:07
     you posted this already, dumb@$$ - Spanky KU - 9/28 13:12:33
          All those posts and not a single person that opposes his - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 13:23:12
               Pickle doesn't engage in conversation or answer - tman MU - 9/28 13:26:09
                    wrong (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:39:38
                         I have a question pending. We will see(nm) - tman MU - 9/28 13:40:16
                              but you're a troll - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:44:38
                                   Please. You dodge as well as he does - tman MU - 9/28 13:45:42
                                        what have I dodged? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:46:24
                                             You just dodged the subject. I stated Pickle doesn't answer - tman MU - 9/28 13:48:58
                                                  lol troll man - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:51:02
                                                       he’s also stupid (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 13:57:49
                                                            You still haven't answered(nm) - tman MU - 9/28 14:04:36
                                                       You dodged. Just another liberal that gets called out - tman MU - 9/28 13:52:02
                                             don't feed the troll (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:48:32
                                                  Another troll comes Iin. (nm) - tman MU - 9/28 13:49:41
          and you still haven't answered the question - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:22:22
          I didn't see your answer in any of those. Weak tactic.(nm) - Toger STL - 9/28 13:20:29
     BOAISY (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:09:12
     Who cares. When I say this I seriously mean who the f*ck - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:01:04
          smart and sane people - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:22:50
          How would you not care about rights? - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:09:42
               I don't care about the idiots concept of rights, that he - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:13:35
                    do you believe in rights or not?(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:19:18
                         Of course I do. But they are a social construct not - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:26:10
                              incorrect. they are as inherent to humans - pickle MU - 9/28 13:55:27
                              wrong (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:46:38
                              So you think rights of people - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:27:25
                                   Are you this stupid? Yes, rights are different here than - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:36:35
                                        i can't believe you're allowed to teach (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/28 17:40:17
                                        incorrect. and none of what you listed are rights (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 13:56:21
                                        this is a very dumb post - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:47:22
                                             this is where DH, Spanky, and 4tigs - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:49:55
                                                  has spanky even commented on it? - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:55:17
                                                       on rights I do not know - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:58:37
                                                  they aren't even close - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:50:54
                                                       as a previous ignorant person - meatiger MU - 9/28 14:02:14
                                        So you believe that rights are granted by power - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:39:46
                                             Did they have rights? I doubt that slaves on the plantation - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:43:16
                                                  yes, every human past, present, and future - pickle MU - 9/28 14:01:20
                                                  so why did they fight for their freedom - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:46:53
                    what about Thomas Jefferson et al? do you care about - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 13:16:43
                    i’ve given proof many times - pickle MU - 9/28 13:15:32
                         Not once have you proven them. You have offered - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:27:38
                              that’s incorrect. i’ve given proof many times (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 13:47:32
          Perhaps if you cared, you wouldn’t talk out of your - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 13:05:38
          an understanding of natural rights is important - pickle MU - 9/28 13:04:47
               And not politics. Post it on the shack (nm) - tman MU - 9/28 13:06:28
                    Correct, this is the R vs D smack board(nm) - dangertim MU - 9/28 13:13:47
                         You're just here to get your D smacked (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 13:15:23
                              Just waiting for bluesox to show up(nm) - dangertim MU - 9/28 13:17:58
                    How is it not about politics - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:10:55
                         he’s just a troll - pickle MU - 9/28 13:11:40
                              You mentioned nothing about politics in the OP - tman MU - 9/28 13:32:18
                                   Now you're just being dumb(nm) - dangertim MU - 9/28 13:34:55
                                        he's just being himself (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/28 13:49:14
                                        Read the Op. It has nothing to do with politics - tman MU - 9/28 13:36:24
                                             The question of rights was literally the impetus for the - dangertim MU - 9/28 14:31:14
               Then prove their existence.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:06:25
                    answer the question - pickle MU - 9/28 13:08:29
                         Glad to as soon as you offer proof of natural rights. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:15:58
                              who cares if they are natural or not - meatiger MU - 9/28 13:26:31
                              I don’t think you know what the word demand means - pickle MU - 9/28 13:19:05
                                   "Answer the question" is most definitely a demand. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:39:43
                                        do you have short term memory loss? - pickle MU - 9/28 13:48:41
     when my mind is uncertain my body decides - cnk ATL - 9/28 12:44:22
     Wrong board. Why won't you follow the guidelines you - tman MU - 9/28 12:40:56




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