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A fair assessment based on available information. (nm)
Posted on: December 24, 2021 at 11:31:49 CT
winslow
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No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 07:05:23
RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which
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MOCO SON
MU
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12/26 14:16:25
Look, year 1 for Drink was during a pandemic
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MoGold
MU
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12/24 11:45:29
So all the practice in 2020, all the games in 2020,
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 14:16:31
Sure, but to not admit the limitations is nonsense
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MoGold
MU
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12/25 00:09:33
Psst Drink accepted the job on December 9, 2019. If there
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Erwin Fletcher
STL
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12/24 11:13:32
Psst Went 4-4 in SEC with that roster. Nm
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 12:03:11
winning 8 SEC games in his first 2 years with Vandy-level
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zounami
MU
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12/24 13:47:49
For what we are paying these coaches I expect to see
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 10:18:55
A fair assessment based on available information. (nm)
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winslow
MU
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12/24 11:31:49
Pinkel’s talent evaluation + staff consistency + Ivey
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VaCoach_Tiger05
MU
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12/24 10:42:58
True. GP would struggle in today's era of free agency. (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:49:38
Maybe... nm
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:28:54
RE: For what we are paying these coaches I expect to see
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sarasotatiger
MU
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12/24 10:25:24
Drink is out-recruiting his pay grade, and matching it on
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:20:55
11-12 for 4 mil per
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Jeff85
MU
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12/24 13:14:50
Year 1 was an all-SEC slate. And given that the roster is
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zounami
MU
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12/24 13:45:15
He's recruiting players with stars but how is that showing
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 10:21:54
Ah, he really just signed ‘his’ 2nd class
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MoGold
MU
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12/24 11:50:22
How many classes do you feel are on campus right now?
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Erwin Fletcher
STL
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12/24 11:30:15
1 and a half. Drink made a choice to retain Odom's
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:38:47
What was his alternative? Pull all the committed offers and
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zounami
MU
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12/24 11:44:13
Retain players that fit his system, pull offers from players
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:48:52
They may transfer but you don't pull offers late in the...
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BandG
MU
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12/24 12:17:44
But it's okay for a coach to continually "encourage" players
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 13:00:03
Correct, that's the way it is. (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 13:36:24
To me that's a lack of integrity. You know a player isn't
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 14:35:09
Other than elite 5* prospects, most players aren't ready to
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:25:05
Dude had a makeshift defense and a broken QB
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STLTIGER
MU
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12/24 10:24:18
Going into year 2 - that's on him, not Odom.
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 10:34:19
Sigh(nm)
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Erwin Fletcher
STL
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12/24 11:31:13
WTF? His second class has not yet arrived on campus
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STLTIGER
MU
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12/24 11:22:35
Good points. (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 11:33:19
OR - consider the possibility that the lack of performance
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:28:25
He didn't recruit them. Take a step away from the computer
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Erwin Fletcher
STL
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12/24 11:32:38
He did, he made a choice to keep the players that
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:39:53
There were very few "star players" on the 2020 roster...
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:38:31
How many talented players has Drink lost? Can you name them?
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:35:42
How about
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:22:52
"many more" lol... a lot of the ones you listed aren't
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zounami
MU
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12/24 11:30:04
And yet, they continue to leave 2 years in. nm
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:41:05
RE: And yet, they continue to leave 2 years in. nm
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 12:11:40
We hired a coach with 1 year of G5 coaching experience...
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 13:05:54
Everything is on him
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 13:31:35
We'll see if he can win as much as Butch Jones
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zoomer
99
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12/24 10:23:12
Butchs record in recruiting
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 11:13:32
So what you're showing here is that not only did
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:42:10
Seriously ? Of course not. I'd never make the case that
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 11:49:42
Butch inherited a loaded roster. (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 11:46:45
And what's your excuse for Pittman? nm
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 11:49:48
Pittman inherited classes like this...
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zounami
MU
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12/24 11:54:52
Let me see if I have this right...
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 13:23:09
you have it wrong and you're overcomplicating it...
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zounami
MU
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12/24 13:33:13
I think you hve it wrong. The players came out day 1
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Bacon
MU
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12/24 14:13:15
29 'super seniors' on the roster - I've always said
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 11:51:53
Yep.Go ahead and bet your house and 401k. You wont regret it
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STLTIGER
MU
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12/24 10:15:20
2023(nm)
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McKinneyTiger
MU
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12/24 08:41:49
Says the guy who thought we'd win the bowl comfortably
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 08:21:16
in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs
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zounami
MU
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12/24 08:48:39
Agreed. Monken actually cared about winning the game.
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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12/24 09:54:49
It was probably his & his players' Super Bowl. (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:55:51
Pretty sure that's the Army/Navy game.(nm)
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Fool on the Hill
MU
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12/24 10:10:12
or an SEC opponent... Boston College stormed the field
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:19:11
Highly doubt they gave us that much respect.
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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12/24 09:57:00
While Monken game-planned for this exhibition game, Drink
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:59:08
If bowl games are meaningless to Drinkwitz,
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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12/24 10:02:03
Old fart alert here but
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 10:10:30
6-6 bowl games *are* meaningless, and we've won the East
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zounami
MU
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12/24 10:03:12
RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs
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KC rules
MU
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12/24 09:54:08
RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs
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sarasotatiger
MU
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12/24 10:06:09
He did. I recorded and watched it. It was right at the
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STLTIGER
MU
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12/24 10:18:25
Their FG kicker's long of the season was 33 yards...
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:55:04
Now, do one pretending Odom was still our coach.
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Gary P.
MU
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12/24 09:23:00
in this hypothetical, should I also pretend that Odom
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:28:43
Same energy
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Gary P.
MU
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12/24 09:51:21
What do you mean? (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:53:16
Uh huh. Well we took that chance with walk on DB's by
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 08:55:44
Possibly. And of course the other factor
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 08:52:56
RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs
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CPA
MU
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12/24 08:52:02
Army only lost @ Wisconsin by 6 points, with the badgers
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:04:37
We all know the military teams system is obnoxious to play
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 09:15:08
Isn't that a clue that maybe other
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GA Tiger
MU
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12/24 09:28:17
RE: Isn't that a clue that maybe other
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sarasotatiger
MU
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12/24 10:08:20
RE: Isn't that a clue that maybe other
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sarasotatiger
MU
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12/24 10:10:39
it doesn't work consistently, and we would have crushed them
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:37:27
RE: it doesn't work consistently, and we would have crushed them
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cybertyger
MU
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12/24 10:07:24
Didn’t work for lasting success at Ga Tech(nm)
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redngray
MU
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12/24 09:36:22
indeed (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:22:29
Next year will be an example of what happens when you trade
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alwaysright
MU
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12/24 08:27:05
yep, will probably be 2023 when 9+ wins is possible (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 08:22:29
when will over .500 be possible? year 4? (nm)
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zoomer
99
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12/24 09:22:26
year 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:23:44
ok so year 1 and 2 were a failure?
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zoomer
99
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12/24 09:42:57
no, they were successes... rebuilds are mostly about
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:45:49
4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 08:49:56
RE: 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely
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RayPecTiger18
MU
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12/24 11:27:21
Yes, and that's why it will probably take until 2023 to see
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zounami
MU
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12/24 11:38:19
RE: 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely
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Indian creek tiger
MU
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12/24 09:02:19
yep, Odom's SoS's were historically weak (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:02:45
also, Drink went 5-5 (pure SEC) and 6-6... the Army game was
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:02:15
Odom went 4-4 in SEC in year 2 and 3. 3-5 year 4 and fired.
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 09:05:34
Yes, a major regression when he ran out of GP's players...
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:06:52
1 game is major regression? Then Drinkwitz had major
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 09:10:01
Drink went .500 both seasons, against a tougher SoS, and
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:29:55
no... Odom inherited Pinkel's roster, and we saw what
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zounami
MU
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12/24 08:58:12
Went 4-8 first year with those recruits. To 7-6, 8-5
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 09:08:18
Uh huh. If not for Odoms guys Badie and Mevis, we win
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 09:03:29
There are 85 scholarships... 2 players don't make a team...
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:05:37
2 All Americans. Yea, AA's make big difference. Nm
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 09:11:17
one of them is a FG kicker (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:30:27
...and again, 1 RB & 1 FGK does not make a team (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 09:30:58
great example of fragile ego syndrome
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OGT
MU
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12/24 08:11:48
Great example of ad hominem attack. Congrats nm
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 08:14:32
he's also a great example of low IQ (nm)
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zounami
MU
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12/24 08:33:39
you felt the need to focus on "Odom players"
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OGT
MU
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12/24 08:26:04
I know you've only been here 2 months, but criticism of
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zounami
MU
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12/24 08:35:50
RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which
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Ragarm
MU
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12/24 07:36:08
4-4 and 6-7 was bc Odom era guys though. Now that
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 07:45:50
RE: 4-4 and 6-7 was bc Odom era guys though. Now that
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cybertyger
MU
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12/24 07:58:12
3 years in a system. Yea that's an upper classmen. Whether
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 08:04:36
RE: 3 years in a system. Yea that's an upper classmen. Whether
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RayPecTiger18
MU
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12/24 11:38:59
RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which
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cybertyger
MU
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12/24 07:21:23
Bill Snyder wasn't great. Smoke and Mirrors with a bunch
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Diamond Dave
MU
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12/24 08:49:13
Diamond Dave, still pumping jealousy after
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Wildcat
KSU
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12/24 12:59:19
That era of kSU football really p*ssed me off
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 08:55:48
RE: That era of kSU football really p*ssed me off
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Indian creek tiger
MU
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12/24 09:10:23
True (nm)
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 10:05:32
If you look at his record, bowls, AP finishes, & especially
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Diamond Dave
MU
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12/24 09:09:27
Yup - Pinkel didn't have the advantages Synder had
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 10:04:45
Pinkel had "the only show in the state"
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Wildcat
KSU
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12/24 13:01:56
Many reasons for that
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 13:13:07
Oh boy
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Wildcat
KSU
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12/24 13:26:56
Incredible - we were talking about football
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 13:40:08
I don't think you're being serious
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Wildcat
KSU
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12/24 15:30:54
Well we're at the point of talking past each other
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Nohawks
KC
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12/24 15:44:31
Merry Xmas(nm)
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Wildcat
KSU
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12/25 00:31:33
Same to you. Hey, I want you to know IMHO
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Nohawks
KC
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12/25 11:12:25
Right on sir!(nm)
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Wildcat
KSU
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12/26 13:27:45
Which Drinkwitz year 3 guys have pro potential? Which
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Nats84
MU
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12/24 07:33:11
RE: Which Drinkwitz year 3 guys have pro potential? Which
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Ragarm
MU
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12/24 07:45:04