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No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - Nats84 MU - 12/24 07:05:23

RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - MOCO SON MU - 12/26 14:16:25

Look, year 1 for Drink was during a pandemic - MoGold MU - 12/24 11:45:29

So all the practice in 2020, all the games in 2020, - Bacon MU - 12/24 14:16:31

Sure, but to not admit the limitations is nonsense - MoGold MU - 12/25 00:09:33

Psst Drink accepted the job on December 9, 2019. If there - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:13:32

Psst Went 4-4 in SEC with that roster. Nm - Nats84 MU - 12/24 12:03:11

winning 8 SEC games in his first 2 years with Vandy-level - zounami MU - 12/24 13:47:49

For what we are paying these coaches I expect to see - Bacon MU - 12/24 10:18:55

A fair assessment based on available information. (nm) - winslow MU - 12/24 11:31:49

Pinkel’s talent evaluation + staff consistency + Ivey - VaCoach_Tiger05 MU - 12/24 10:42:58

True. GP would struggle in today's era of free agency. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 10:49:38

Maybe... nm - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:28:54

RE: For what we are paying these coaches I expect to see - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:25:24

Drink is out-recruiting his pay grade, and matching it on - zounami MU - 12/24 10:20:55

11-12 for 4 mil per - Jeff85 MU - 12/24 13:14:50

Year 1 was an all-SEC slate. And given that the roster is - zounami MU - 12/24 13:45:15

He's recruiting players with stars but how is that showing - Bacon MU - 12/24 10:21:54

Ah, he really just signed ‘his’ 2nd class - MoGold MU - 12/24 11:50:22

How many classes do you feel are on campus right now? - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:30:15

1 and a half. Drink made a choice to retain Odom's - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:38:47

What was his alternative? Pull all the committed offers and - zounami MU - 12/24 11:44:13

Retain players that fit his system, pull offers from players - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:48:52

They may transfer but you don't pull offers late in the... - BandG MU - 12/24 12:17:44

But it's okay for a coach to continually "encourage" players - Bacon MU - 12/24 13:00:03

Correct, that's the way it is. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 13:36:24

To me that's a lack of integrity. You know a player isn't - Bacon MU - 12/24 14:35:09

Other than elite 5* prospects, most players aren't ready to - zounami MU - 12/24 10:25:05

Dude had a makeshift defense and a broken QB - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 10:24:18

Going into year 2 - that's on him, not Odom. - Bacon MU - 12/24 10:34:19

Sigh(nm) - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:31:13

WTF? His second class has not yet arrived on campus - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 11:22:35

Good points. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 11:33:19

OR - consider the possibility that the lack of performance - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:28:25

He didn't recruit them. Take a step away from the computer - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:32:38

He did, he made a choice to keep the players that - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:39:53

There were very few "star players" on the 2020 roster... - zounami MU - 12/24 10:38:31

How many talented players has Drink lost? Can you name them? - zounami MU - 12/24 10:35:42

How about - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:22:52

"many more" lol... a lot of the ones you listed aren't - zounami MU - 12/24 11:30:04

And yet, they continue to leave 2 years in. nm - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:41:05

RE: And yet, they continue to leave 2 years in. nm - Nohawks KC - 12/24 12:11:40

We hired a coach with 1 year of G5 coaching experience... - Bacon MU - 12/24 13:05:54

Everything is on him - Nohawks KC - 12/24 13:31:35

We'll see if he can win as much as Butch Jones - zoomer 99 - 12/24 10:23:12

Butchs record in recruiting - Nohawks KC - 12/24 11:13:32

So what you're showing here is that not only did - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:42:10

Seriously ? Of course not. I'd never make the case that - Nohawks KC - 12/24 11:49:42

Butch inherited a loaded roster. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 11:46:45

And what's your excuse for Pittman? nm - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:49:48

Pittman inherited classes like this... - zounami MU - 12/24 11:54:52

Let me see if I have this right... - Bacon MU - 12/24 13:23:09

you have it wrong and you're overcomplicating it... - zounami MU - 12/24 13:33:13

I think you hve it wrong. The players came out day 1 - Bacon MU - 12/24 14:13:15

29 'super seniors' on the roster - I've always said - Nohawks KC - 12/24 11:51:53

Yep.Go ahead and bet your house and 401k. You wont regret it - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 10:15:20

2023(nm) - McKinneyTiger MU - 12/24 08:41:49

Says the guy who thought we'd win the bowl comfortably - Nohawks KC - 12/24 08:21:16

in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - zounami MU - 12/24 08:48:39

Agreed. Monken actually cared about winning the game. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/24 09:54:49

It was probably his & his players' Super Bowl. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:55:51

Pretty sure that's the Army/Navy game.(nm) - Fool on the Hill MU - 12/24 10:10:12

or an SEC opponent... Boston College stormed the field - zounami MU - 12/24 10:19:11

Highly doubt they gave us that much respect. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/24 09:57:00

While Monken game-planned for this exhibition game, Drink - zounami MU - 12/24 09:59:08

If bowl games are meaningless to Drinkwitz, - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/24 10:02:03

Old fart alert here but - Nohawks KC - 12/24 10:10:30

6-6 bowl games *are* meaningless, and we've won the East - zounami MU - 12/24 10:03:12

RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - KC rules MU - 12/24 09:54:08

RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:06:09

He did. I recorded and watched it. It was right at the - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 10:18:25

Their FG kicker's long of the season was 33 yards... - zounami MU - 12/24 09:55:04

Now, do one pretending Odom was still our coach. - Gary P. MU

- 12/24 09:23:00

in this hypothetical, should I also pretend that Odom - zounami MU - 12/24 09:28:43

Same energy - Gary P. MU

- 12/24 09:51:21

What do you mean? (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:53:16

Uh huh. Well we took that chance with walk on DB's by - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:55:44

Possibly. And of course the other factor - Nohawks KC - 12/24 08:52:56

RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - CPA MU - 12/24 08:52:02

Army only lost @ Wisconsin by 6 points, with the badgers - zounami MU - 12/24 09:04:37

We all know the military teams system is obnoxious to play - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:15:08

Isn't that a clue that maybe other - GA Tiger MU - 12/24 09:28:17

RE: Isn't that a clue that maybe other - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:08:20

RE: Isn't that a clue that maybe other - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:10:39

it doesn't work consistently, and we would have crushed them - zounami MU - 12/24 09:37:27

RE: it doesn't work consistently, and we would have crushed them - cybertyger MU - 12/24 10:07:24

Didn’t work for lasting success at Ga Tech(nm) - redngray MU - 12/24 09:36:22

indeed (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:22:29

Next year will be an example of what happens when you trade - alwaysright MU - 12/24 08:27:05

yep, will probably be 2023 when 9+ wins is possible (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 08:22:29

when will over .500 be possible? year 4? (nm) - zoomer 99 - 12/24 09:22:26

year 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:23:44

ok so year 1 and 2 were a failure? - zoomer 99 - 12/24 09:42:57

no, they were successes... rebuilds are mostly about - zounami MU - 12/24 09:45:49

4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:49:56

RE: 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely - RayPecTiger18 MU - 12/24 11:27:21

Yes, and that's why it will probably take until 2023 to see - zounami MU - 12/24 11:38:19

RE: 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely - Indian creek tiger MU - 12/24 09:02:19

yep, Odom's SoS's were historically weak (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:02:45

also, Drink went 5-5 (pure SEC) and 6-6... the Army game was - zounami MU - 12/24 09:02:15

Odom went 4-4 in SEC in year 2 and 3. 3-5 year 4 and fired. - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:05:34

Yes, a major regression when he ran out of GP's players... - zounami MU - 12/24 09:06:52

1 game is major regression? Then Drinkwitz had major - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:10:01

Drink went .500 both seasons, against a tougher SoS, and - zounami MU - 12/24 09:29:55

no... Odom inherited Pinkel's roster, and we saw what - zounami MU - 12/24 08:58:12

Went 4-8 first year with those recruits. To 7-6, 8-5 - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:08:18

Uh huh. If not for Odoms guys Badie and Mevis, we win - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:03:29

There are 85 scholarships... 2 players don't make a team... - zounami MU - 12/24 09:05:37

2 All Americans. Yea, AA's make big difference. Nm - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:11:17

one of them is a FG kicker (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:30:27

...and again, 1 RB & 1 FGK does not make a team (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:30:58

great example of fragile ego syndrome - OGT MU - 12/24 08:11:48

Great example of ad hominem attack. Congrats nm - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:14:32

he's also a great example of low IQ (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 08:33:39

you felt the need to focus on "Odom players" - OGT MU - 12/24 08:26:04

I know you've only been here 2 months, but criticism of - zounami MU - 12/24 08:35:50

RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - Ragarm MU - 12/24 07:36:08

4-4 and 6-7 was bc Odom era guys though. Now that - Nats84 MU - 12/24 07:45:50

RE: 4-4 and 6-7 was bc Odom era guys though. Now that - cybertyger MU - 12/24 07:58:12

3 years in a system. Yea that's an upper classmen. Whether - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:04:36

RE: 3 years in a system. Yea that's an upper classmen. Whether - RayPecTiger18 MU - 12/24 11:38:59

RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - cybertyger MU - 12/24 07:21:23

Bill Snyder wasn't great. Smoke and Mirrors with a bunch - Diamond Dave MU

- 12/24 08:49:13

Diamond Dave, still pumping jealousy after - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 12:59:19

That era of kSU football really p*ssed me off - Nohawks KC - 12/24 08:55:48

RE: That era of kSU football really p*ssed me off - Indian creek tiger MU - 12/24 09:10:23

True (nm) - Nohawks KC - 12/24 10:05:32

If you look at his record, bowls, AP finishes, & especially - Diamond Dave MU

- 12/24 09:09:27

Yup - Pinkel didn't have the advantages Synder had - Nohawks KC - 12/24 10:04:45

Pinkel had "the only show in the state" - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 13:01:56

Many reasons for that - Nohawks KC - 12/24 13:13:07

Oh boy - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 13:26:56

Incredible - we were talking about football - Nohawks KC - 12/24 13:40:08

I don't think you're being serious - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 15:30:54

Well we're at the point of talking past each other - Nohawks KC - 12/24 15:44:31

Merry Xmas(nm) - Wildcat KSU - 12/25 00:31:33

Same to you. Hey, I want you to know IMHO - Nohawks KC - 12/25 11:12:25

Right on sir!(nm) - Wildcat KSU - 12/26 13:27:45

Which Drinkwitz year 3 guys have pro potential? Which - Nats84 MU - 12/24 07:33:11

RE: Which Drinkwitz year 3 guys have pro potential? Which - Ragarm MU - 12/24 07:45:04

Isn't that a clue that maybe other

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