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Not if they don’t have good assistants

Posted on: September 16, 2021 at 23:34:00 CT
FIJItiger MU
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MUs recruiting in the late 1990s was dismal, and we had a Hall of Fame coach.

I’d rather have a good coach than a good recruiter. But a good coach can still find themselves in a situation of inadequate talent.
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Shaw commitment info - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 19:29:29
     LETS GOOOO! ! ! ! ! ! ! - Spartus MWSC - 9/17 08:49:30
     RE: Shaw commitment info - TONYTIGR MU - 9/17 08:43:02
          questioning his assumptions/points isn't personal. - LamarFrazier MU - 9/17 09:22:40
               RE: questioning his assumptions/points isn't personal. - TONYTIGR MU - 9/17 11:11:34
                    It sounds you're pretty upset about this. (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/17 11:52:09
                         RE: It sounds you're pretty upset about this. (nm) - TONYTIGR MU - 9/17 13:49:00
                              I'm sure wu appreciates you - LamarFrazier MU - 9/17 19:19:38
                                   RE: I'm sure wu appreciates you - TONYTIGR MU - 9/18 07:40:34
               No one questions Wu-T's attention to detail, it is beyond - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 09:49:45
          I heartily second these comments - Harvest MU - 9/17 09:15:59
               This board has absolutely nothing to do with the State of - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 09:52:06
     do you work for CM? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 20:00:14
          He works for university indirectly. Sub-contractor to work - Sigma MU - 9/17 03:44:32
               Imagine being crazy enough to believe this (nm) - zoomer 99 - 9/17 08:57:57
                    Your ignorance doesn't make this false. Maryland was - Sigma MU - 9/17 10:44:40
               So you work for SLU - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/17 07:37:04
                    Nope, but if offered a big enough contract I would. - Sigma MU - 9/17 10:45:39
          To be fair, he was around long before - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 22:03:52
               accurate assessment (nm) - zounami MU - 9/17 07:06:24
               Which is even weirder, for someone who seems to have more - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:13:24
                    He passionately follows recruiting - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 22:34:30
                         I did play D1. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:38:16
                              Agree with that, with only a few exceptions I don't really - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 22:45:50
                                   Ok I disagree with the last part. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:47:45
                                        So you don't disagree with the first part? - tigerdb MU - 9/17 06:23:39
                                             From a PR perspective Shaw was a must get - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/18 17:04:00
                                        He got that rebuild in year one with three top 50 players - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:53:18
                                             Would work that way if he had landed 3 top 50 recruits - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:57:30
                                                  MU is never going to have 3 top 50 recruits every season - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:11:55
                                                  so he's not responsible for losses because he doesn't have - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:00:18
                                                       I have never said rankings don’t matter. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 23:03:39
                                                            I've always argued top 100 matter - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:07:16
                                                                 My opinion is top 50 matters. Rivals and 247 have good data - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 23:19:38
                                                                      Coaching matters considerably more than top 50 players(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:22:02
                                                                           Quality coaches will always get their fair share of top 50 - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 23:30:42
                                                                                Not if they don’t have good assistants - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:34:00
                                                                                     A quality coach may run on hard times but if they are truly - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 07:17:57
                                        There are 13 other coaches in the SEC - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 22:52:48
                                             10th would about match how Mizzou spends (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:55:12
                                                  vomit. You sound like zoomer with that spends excuses - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 22:57:31
                                                       My only argument is I am still in wait and see - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 23:00:21
                                                            I think if we were able to use the search to go back, I was - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:03:10
                                                                 not sure we're even treading water - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:05:00
                                                                      Unfortunately at this point that is true - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:08:22
                    I have taken more of a wait and see with both coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:22:57
                         *spits out beer* - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 22:31:32
                              You guys are good at this. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:34:16
                                   actually a discussion about you unless you are CM - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 22:36:32
               I would criticize KA as well. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:12:13
                    People rarely step up to support floundering programs.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:14:44
          Is positive news not allowed on this board?(nm) - beerdrinker69 MU - 9/16 21:58:26
               Lets GO MIZZOU! ! ! ! ! - Spartus MWSC - 9/17 08:48:53
          None of the above. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 21:32:11
               When you win more than 40% of SEC games it is(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 21:34:53
                    Maybe that will change with a commit from Shaw - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 21:42:37
                         I really hope we land him - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 22:21:45
                              Slightly lower ranked than Tilmon was. CM did nothing - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:28:41
                                   This is the type of stuff I disagree with. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:31:31
                                        Two of his four seasons were sub .500, he is ten games - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:36:50
                                             That’s normal for massive rebuilds. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:39:35
                                                  Below .500? - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 22:56:09
                                                       Sure look at Auburn and Mississippi State - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 23:05:16
                                                            Pearl won SEC in 4th yr and F4 in 5th yr - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:08:28
                                                  Usually in the first couple of years as a coach is getting - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:49:54
                                                       I think he here at least 2 more seasons - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:54:05
                                                            what's a 'pretty good run" mean? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:23:08
                                                  excuse train rolls on(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 22:42:04
                                                       Do you have examples that show this type of rebuild - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:46:24
                                                            Bruce Pearl at Auburn. Three tough years, 26 wins in year - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 23:08:25
                                                                 Funny that we both use Howland and Pearl as examples - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/17 05:09:35
                                                                      neither support your point. Pearl won SEC in yr 4 and - LamarFrazier MU - 9/17 08:23:48
                                                                      You keep glossing over the fact that the successful coaches - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 07:06:53
                                                                 Pearl then won 25 and 2nd in SEC in yr 6 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:11:28
                                                                      Yes, it is called building a program for a reason. Usually - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 23:22:49
                                                                           underachieving last yr with 9 Sr/Jr was enough for me - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:28:41
                                                                                Last season was pretty hard to explain. Not a - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:35:40
                                                                                Same here. I though this year should have been at least a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 23:33:22
                                                            There has never been a comparable rebuild to this - FIJItiger MU - 9/16 23:00:24
                                                                 Bullshlt! Kim was a horrible coach but he left CM with a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 09:11:21
                                                                      I disagree with that.It was the most significant/challenging - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 09:50:39
                                                                           To build back a program you need one thing, quality players. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 10:10:02
                                                                           a rather dramatic overreaction(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/17 10:02:14
                                                                                Fiji is nothing if not dramatic. His take on the affect of - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 10:14:14
                                                                                     If anything I undersell his damage - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 10:54:14
                                                                                          No, I just pointed out how ridiculous your position is. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 10:59:53
                                                                                               Agree, it was worse than that (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 11:01:40
                                                                                                    Asinine. Stupid àss statements like that are what cause - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 11:09:07
                                                                                                         That is fine. MU after Kim is the worst rebuild in modern - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 11:15:32
                                                                                                              Bullshìt ! Kim left quality players and the program was - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 11:22:09
                                                                                                                   Absolutely and historically cratered. There has never - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 11:47:03
                                                                                                                        Bullshìt! The program still had SEC level talent and had - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 12:36:20
                                                                                                                             We got last in the SEC 3 straight seasons - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 13:01:55
                                                                                                                                  This is another place where you go off the rails. Cuonzo - sprintcar STL - 9/17 14:23:53
                                                                                                                                       Agree, I won't admit nor believe that to be true (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 15:24:23
                                                                                                                                  BS. Barnett was an all-conference player. Puryear and Geist - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/17 13:35:40
                                                            so 20-32 in the SEC in past 3 yrs is progress? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 22:53:42
                                                                 I see a bad faith argument there - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:58:43
                                                                      I see your head up CM's ass and saying it's not dark(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/16 23:00:49
                              We are finally seeing Mizzou get the type - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:24:31
                                   They are not running a 4x100. We do not need athletes, we - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:33:52
                                        100% need better athletes - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/16 22:35:52
                                             Agree 100% with both statements. But athletes without BB - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/16 22:45:56




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