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Think of it this way. Take an afghan woman

Posted on: September 10, 2021 at 11:24:57 CT
Ragnar Danneskjold MU
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put her in the middle of a desert, no taliban, no US government, no nothing.

Does she have the right to freely express her mind?
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Are the bill of rights rights granted to the individual by - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 10:36:08
     The bill of Rights simply identifies those rights that our - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 11:13:45
          You're using the wrong word. - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:20:27
               Because rights are taken away on whims all the time. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 11:26:15
                    incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:38:19
                    goddamn (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:29:56
                         You'd think the phrase "rights are taken away on whims - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:30:56
                              DH is not a rational person (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:31:56
                    Then they are not RIGHTS. - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:28:22
          Read the declaration of independence. I'll wait(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:16:53
               You asked about the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Indep - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 11:19:50
                    Omg. You teach children. Scary(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:25:12
                    wow (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:24:09
                    right, the two are completely unrelated - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:21:39
               he has already stated he doesn't believe in that document (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:17:46
                    I actually said no such thing. Your ability to comprehend - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 11:23:09
                         lol you just agreed with him (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:28:20
                         "no I didn't" / "yes I did" isn't an argument that going to - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:24:25
                              I can agree with a statement while understanding that it is - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 11:33:26
                                   guarantee or define? - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:35:37
                                   Guarantee (not infringe upon) (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:35:27
          and another statist chimes in (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:14:39
     Rights, or lack of rights, can only come from the gov't, - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 10:55:04
          West Point Education isn’t paying off(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/10 10:59:27
          incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 10:59:00
          "Rights only come from this one thing, unless they come from - ummmm MU - 9/10 10:58:40
               Somewhat. On this subject there will - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:02:37
                    maybe you’re stupid? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:09:00
                    Lol. GAT. So you think the declaration of independence is - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:04:29
                         Actually I think it came from the best gov't yet formed. - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:07:41
                              Try reading it. I'll wait(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:08:38
                              and you would be wrong - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:08:22
               Where do they come from? nm - hokie VT - 9/10 11:01:10
                    nature. they are inherent to humans (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:06:59
                    You are born with them. Have you read your wall hanging yet? - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:02:24
                         Born with "rights"? Please, let the Afghan women know that. - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:05:41
                              the afghan women were born with the rights. the taliban is - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/10 11:11:49
                                   I take your point. But for all practical purposes if a woman - hokie VT - 9/10 11:14:15
                                        yes (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:19:41
                                        Yes, otherwise what is being suppressed? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:19:14
                                             Nothing is being suppressed in af'stan because women - hokie VT - 9/10 11:20:45
                                                  See the problem with deferring to govt then? - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:27:52
                                                       Lol. This will tie his brain up into a pretzel (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:36:45
                                                            what brain? (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:38:08
                                                  Think of it this way. Take an afghan woman - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/10 11:24:57
                                                       Not if her husband is going to beat the shlt out of her for - hokie VT - 9/10 11:41:32
                                                            You're adding another variable - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/10 11:48:04
                                                            you would make a good communist (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:42:06
                                                  wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:23:22
                                                  incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:21:59
                                        yes the right exists independent of anyone trying to deny it - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/10 11:17:05
                                        Yes she does. Government is infringing on her unalienable - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:16:13
                                        yes (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:14:56
                                   because GAT is an indoctrinated statist (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:13:29
                              yes, born with them (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:08:21
                              Just because governments infringe upon them doesn't make - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:07:59
                         Are somalies, chinamen, saudis and mexicans born with them - hokie VT - 9/10 11:04:29
                              everyone -past, present, future - has the same rights - pickle MU - 9/10 11:08:03
                                   It is hard when THEY CAN'T USE THE RIGHTS. - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:11:56
                                        go to sleep, old man (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:20:26
                                        BECAUSE GOVERNMENT IS INFRINGING UPON THEM(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:12:54
                                             THEN DON'T SAY THEY HAVE THEM.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 12:06:21
                              Yes. They are indeed. Just like you are.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:05:17
                                   If their rights aren't recognized or enforced to they exist? - hokie VT - 9/10 11:08:47
                                        They exist regardless of them being infringed upon. Read - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:10:19
                                             That's the point. Our founders, who i revere btw, codified - hokie VT - 9/10 11:29:02
                                                  they didn't make them up (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:36:15
                                                  revere = worship (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:30:26
                                             why would someone put something on his wall that he - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:11:35
                                                  Right?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:13:17
                                        rights aren’t enforced (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:10:16
                                             Too abstract for him. See TigerMatt's toy post. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:12:45
                                                  he thinks rights are positive - pickle MU - 9/10 11:21:26
                                             Why is this so hard for people to get? It is literally - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:11:54
                                   And your answer to my question above?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:06:40
                              all men - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:05:01
                    hopeless and unreachable (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:01:30
                    Nature. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:01:26
                         What does that mean, exactly? How do you know and who - hokie VT - 9/10 11:07:29
                              It means that the rights to life, liberty, and property are - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:12:05
                                   I understand the origin. It's just silly to deny the role - hokie VT - 9/10 11:19:13
                                        RE: I understand the origin. It's just silly to deny the role - ummmm MU - 9/10 11:26:13
                                             vague (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:37:51
                                        do you also hang posters with communist tenants? - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:23:33
                              discovered by humans’ ability to reason (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 11:09:44
          no, GAT (nm) - pickle MU - 9/10 10:58:25
          False. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 10:56:12
               Then I expect an example to show I'm wrong.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 10:58:54
                    Read the declaration of independence and the bill of rights. - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 10:59:45
                         Is your point that those do NOT come from gov't? - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:03:32
                              Um. Yeah GAT. That's my point. It was also Jefferson and - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:06:35
                                   You aren't very old, are you, since you - GA Tiger MU - 9/10 11:10:09
                                        I'm 52 GAT and I can read. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 11:14:34
                    read the Declaration of Independence - ashtray UF - 9/10 10:59:42
     They are pretty much the same thing, aren't they? The gov - hokie VT - 9/10 10:54:58
          no, it isn't an Obama term - ashtray UF - 9/10 11:00:47
          negative rights is not an obama term - pickle MU - 9/10 10:59:04
          False. Read your wall hanging. You know, the one you - hefeweizen MU - 9/10 10:57:25




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