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Posted on: September 10, 2021 at 11:01:30 CT
ashtray
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Are the bill of rights rights granted to the individual by
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 10:36:08
The bill of Rights simply identifies those rights that our
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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9/10 11:13:45
You're using the wrong word.
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:20:27
Because rights are taken away on whims all the time.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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9/10 11:26:15
incorrect (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:38:19
goddamn (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:29:56
You'd think the phrase "rights are taken away on whims
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:30:56
DH is not a rational person (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:31:56
Then they are not RIGHTS.
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:28:22
Read the declaration of independence. I'll wait(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:16:53
You asked about the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Indep
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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9/10 11:19:50
Omg. You teach children. Scary(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:25:12
wow (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:24:09
right, the two are completely unrelated
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:21:39
he has already stated he doesn't believe in that document (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:17:46
I actually said no such thing. Your ability to comprehend
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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9/10 11:23:09
lol you just agreed with him (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:28:20
"no I didn't" / "yes I did" isn't an argument that going to
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:24:25
I can agree with a statement while understanding that it is
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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9/10 11:33:26
guarantee or define?
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:35:37
Guarantee (not infringe upon) (nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:35:27
and another statist chimes in (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:14:39
Rights, or lack of rights, can only come from the gov't,
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 10:55:04
West Point Education isn’t paying off(nm)
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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9/10 10:59:27
incorrect (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 10:59:00
"Rights only come from this one thing, unless they come from
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 10:58:40
Somewhat. On this subject there will
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:02:37
maybe you’re stupid? (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:09:00
Lol. GAT. So you think the declaration of independence is
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:04:29
Actually I think it came from the best gov't yet formed.
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:07:41
Try reading it. I'll wait(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:08:38
and you would be wrong
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:08:22
Where do they come from? nm
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:01:10
nature. they are inherent to humans (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:06:59
You are born with them. Have you read your wall hanging yet?
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:02:24
Born with "rights"? Please, let the Afghan women know that.
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:05:41
the afghan women were born with the rights. the taliban is
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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9/10 11:11:49
I take your point. But for all practical purposes if a woman
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:14:15
yes (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:19:41
Yes, otherwise what is being suppressed? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:19:14
Nothing is being suppressed in af'stan because women
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:20:45
See the problem with deferring to govt then?
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:27:52
Lol. This will tie his brain up into a pretzel (nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:36:45
what brain? (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:38:08
Think of it this way. Take an afghan woman
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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9/10 11:24:57
Not if her husband is going to beat the shlt out of her for
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:41:32
You're adding another variable
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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9/10 11:48:04
you would make a good communist (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:42:06
wrong (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:23:22
incorrect (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:21:59
yes the right exists independent of anyone trying to deny it
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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9/10 11:17:05
Yes she does. Government is infringing on her unalienable
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:16:13
yes (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:14:56
because GAT is an indoctrinated statist (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:13:29
yes, born with them (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:08:21
Just because governments infringe upon them doesn't make
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:07:59
Are somalies, chinamen, saudis and mexicans born with them
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:04:29
everyone -past, present, future - has the same rights
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:08:03
It is hard when THEY CAN'T USE THE RIGHTS.
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:11:56
go to sleep, old man (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:20:26
BECAUSE GOVERNMENT IS INFRINGING UPON THEM(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:12:54
THEN DON'T SAY THEY HAVE THEM.(nm)
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 12:06:21
Yes. They are indeed. Just like you are.(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:05:17
If their rights aren't recognized or enforced to they exist?
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:08:47
They exist regardless of them being infringed upon. Read
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:10:19
That's the point. Our founders, who i revere btw, codified
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:29:02
they didn't make them up (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:36:15
revere = worship (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:30:26
why would someone put something on his wall that he
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:11:35
Right?(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:13:17
rights aren’t enforced (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:10:16
Too abstract for him. See TigerMatt's toy post. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:12:45
he thinks rights are positive
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:21:26
Why is this so hard for people to get? It is literally
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:11:54
And your answer to my question above?(nm)
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:06:40
all men
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:05:01
hopeless and unreachable (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:01:30
Nature. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:01:26
What does that mean, exactly? How do you know and who
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:07:29
It means that the rights to life, liberty, and property are
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:12:05
I understand the origin. It's just silly to deny the role
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hokie
VT
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9/10 11:19:13
RE: I understand the origin. It's just silly to deny the role
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ummmm
MU
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9/10 11:26:13
vague (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:37:51
do you also hang posters with communist tenants?
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:23:33
discovered by humans’ ability to reason (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 11:09:44
no, GAT (nm)
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pickle
MU
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9/10 10:58:25
False. (nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 10:56:12
Then I expect an example to show I'm wrong.(nm)
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 10:58:54
Read the declaration of independence and the bill of rights.
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 10:59:45
Is your point that those do NOT come from gov't?
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:03:32
Um. Yeah GAT. That's my point. It was also Jefferson and
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:06:35
You aren't very old, are you, since you
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GA Tiger
MU
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9/10 11:10:09
I'm 52 GAT and I can read. (nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 11:14:34
read the Declaration of Independence
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 10:59:42
They are pretty much the same thing, aren't they? The gov
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hokie
VT
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9/10 10:54:58
no, it isn't an Obama term
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ashtray
UF
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9/10 11:00:47
negative rights is not an obama term
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pickle
MU
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9/10 10:59:04
False. Read your wall hanging. You know, the one you
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hefeweizen
MU
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9/10 10:57:25