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why do you do this?

Posted on: June 12, 2020 at 14:26:53 CT
pickle MU
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i said nothing of the sort nor implied it. you asked where our rights come from; they are innate and unique to humans, just as a bird’s ability to eat is innate to it.

natural rights were discovered by man’s unique abilities of logic and reason. again, just because it was not recognized (though it has always been if not able to be adequately expressed) or infringed upon does not mean it didn’t exist
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DH thinks rights come from government - pickle MU - 6/12 12:51:01
     from gvmt itself! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 15:13:19
     He also thought slavery was going away - meatiger MU - 6/12 13:45:32
          you're not on point (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 15:13:48
          It was going away. And I never said it was not a factor, - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:05:42
          i think you’re missing the target here (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:58:34
          it would have (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 13:56:04
               How so?(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/12 13:58:06
                    most likely some mix of costs, international pressure - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 14:24:44
                    Industrialization was already starting in the South. Large - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:10:47
                         Laborers were still needed - meatiger MU - 6/12 14:20:05
                              Not in the numbers that would have made the inherent cost - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:22:33
                                   You have obvioulsy not been to many plants - meatiger MU - 6/12 14:23:37
                                        And in the industrialized North they had already discovered - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:32:53
     I'm guessing you are twisting his words. - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/12 13:29:47
          Yes I said that the government has the right to collect a - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:44:20
               either gvmt has rights or it doesn’t - pickle MU - 6/12 13:51:41
                    People have the right to impose taxes, government is simply - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:17:00
                         you sound like a leftist now (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:39:16
                              well... - pickle MU - 6/12 14:46:26
                                   I don't get why he doesn't vote Democrat - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:50:51
                                        Because he votes based on what those around him are - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 15:07:41
                         where did these rights come from? - pickle MU - 6/12 14:23:28
                              We are not talking about your mythical natural rights we are - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:27:54
                                   you said people have the right to impose taxes. - pickle MU - 6/12 14:36:56
                                        You simply refuse to believe that rights come from the - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:56:51
                                             So if I get 10 people to agree to take a portion of your - TigerMatt STL - 6/15 11:30:21
                                             your view is both wrong and ignorant - pickle MU - 6/12 15:49:22
                                             the founders disagree with you - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:58:53
                                                  Our founding father revolted and went to war to establish - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 15:05:29
                         People don't have the right to impose taxes. - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:21:20
                              Good luck finding a place to live in the world that does - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:25:08
                                   Where does the right to impose taxes come from? - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:27:35
                                        You consent by your presence here. You were given a - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:47:02
                                             FINALLY you can vocalize where your ignorance lies. - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:57:51
                                             another non-argument - pickle MU - 6/12 14:57:26
                                             non responsive - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:51:24
                                                  No it was responsive, you just don't like it. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:59:38
                                                       1. How do you know we are or aren't working to change it - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 15:02:23
                                                       no (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:59:55
                                   the laydown (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 14:27:14
                                        The end of the argument when they're done doing - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:28:16
               I figured. Pickle knows what he is(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/12 13:48:32
               will you answer Swamp’s question? (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:47:41
          yes, consistently stupid and dishonest (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:30:12
     RE: DH thinks rights come from government - MOCO SON MU - 6/12 13:24:11
          do you have the right to take property from others by force? - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:31:03
               You ask that as if "people" are always united. They aren't. - GA Tiger MU - 6/12 13:48:28
                    wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:53:06
                    false - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:51:55
                         Basically what I said. (nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/12 14:02:48
                              so you were agreeing with me - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:04:18
     Where have I ever claimed that governments have rights? - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:10:52
          in the taxation thread below - pickle MU - 6/12 13:12:25
               The people have given the power to collect taxes to the - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:18:42
                    “oh, i did say government has rights. you were right” (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:34:17
                         A completely different usage of the word but you go ahead - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:41:24
                              No, they are giving you permission to borrow their - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:43:59
                                   You are as dumb as the cucumber. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:50:01
                                        it’s not their car - pickle MU - 6/12 13:52:28
                              holy **** lol - pickle MU - 6/12 13:43:55
                    LOL. Right to life, which the government may not - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:26:10
                         I'm giving you permission to take money from - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:29:42
                    if rights come from government - pickle MU - 6/12 13:20:54
                         Rights don't come from the government you tard! - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:27:10
                              where does education as a right come from? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:31:08
                                   The people you idiot! You believe in rights as this mystical - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:36:54
                                        So, a collective group can give my PERSONAL rights - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:40:05
                                        so... - pickle MU - 6/12 13:38:40
                                        then you have been consistently wrong - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:37:48
               oops (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:15:53
               he's tripping all over himself - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:13:28
     You have the right to remain silent pickle. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/12 13:02:44
          what’s the libertarian position on rights? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:05:07
               Aren't you on record as denying that there is a God? - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:13:23
                    oh dear - pickle MU - 6/12 13:16:16
                         Let's be clear. I am mocking you pickle. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/12 13:25:37
                              you call natural rights “bullshyte” - pickle MU - 6/12 13:28:38
                                   Why bother? You never listen to anyone, let alone me. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/12 13:31:46
                                        what are you afraid of? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:35:02
                                        lol - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:32:57
                              wow, what a stupid post - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:28:25
                         Why do you believe a libertarian has to believe in natural - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:20:19
                              Wow(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 6/12 13:24:30
                              because they are the foundation of libertarianism - pickle MU - 6/12 13:22:31
                              lol (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:22:03
                    lol... you're really reaching now (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:13:51
                         You are the ones that claim natural rights are part of our - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:23:08
                              what part of “natural” confuses you? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:33:14
                                   Yet you conviently ignore the fact that throughout human - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:56:41
                                        they have always been present - pickle MU - 6/12 14:09:17
                                             So you are suggesting that the bird in you example can - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:20:15
                                                  why do you do this? - pickle MU - 6/12 14:26:53
                                        it has been present throughout human history - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:57:58
                                             exactly. it’s not difficult (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 14:09:40
                                   It was given to them by a proxy while in the egg (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:34:35
                              you're not a big reader, so I won't expect you - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:27:37
                                   And the founders of this country believed in God. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:32:23
                                        will you answer Swamp’s question? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:36:43
                                             I don't think he will (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 13:44:44
                                        does a creator have to equal God? - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:33:42
     from the people - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 12:55:27




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