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And the founders of this country believed in God.

Posted on: June 12, 2020 at 13:32:23 CT
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If you were too claim that natural rights come from God then at least it is a basis for the belief. We could agree or disagree but there would be a logical consistency there.

But someone who claims that there is no God bit that natural rights do exist then have to prove where those natural rights come from.
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DH thinks rights come from government - pickle MU - 6/12 12:51:01
     from gvmt itself! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 15:13:19
     He also thought slavery was going away - meatiger MU - 6/12 13:45:32
          you're not on point (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 15:13:48
          It was going away. And I never said it was not a factor, - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:05:42
          i think you’re missing the target here (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:58:34
          it would have (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 13:56:04
               How so?(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/12 13:58:06
                    most likely some mix of costs, international pressure - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 14:24:44
                    Industrialization was already starting in the South. Large - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:10:47
                         Laborers were still needed - meatiger MU - 6/12 14:20:05
                              Not in the numbers that would have made the inherent cost - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:22:33
                                   You have obvioulsy not been to many plants - meatiger MU - 6/12 14:23:37
                                        And in the industrialized North they had already discovered - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:32:53
     I'm guessing you are twisting his words. - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/12 13:29:47
          Yes I said that the government has the right to collect a - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:44:20
               either gvmt has rights or it doesn’t - pickle MU - 6/12 13:51:41
                    People have the right to impose taxes, government is simply - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:17:00
                         you sound like a leftist now (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:39:16
                              well... - pickle MU - 6/12 14:46:26
                                   I don't get why he doesn't vote Democrat - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:50:51
                                        Because he votes based on what those around him are - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 15:07:41
                         where did these rights come from? - pickle MU - 6/12 14:23:28
                              We are not talking about your mythical natural rights we are - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:27:54
                                   you said people have the right to impose taxes. - pickle MU - 6/12 14:36:56
                                        You simply refuse to believe that rights come from the - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:56:51
                                             So if I get 10 people to agree to take a portion of your - TigerMatt STL - 6/15 11:30:21
                                             your view is both wrong and ignorant - pickle MU - 6/12 15:49:22
                                             the founders disagree with you - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:58:53
                                                  Our founding father revolted and went to war to establish - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 15:05:29
                         People don't have the right to impose taxes. - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:21:20
                              Good luck finding a place to live in the world that does - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:25:08
                                   Where does the right to impose taxes come from? - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:27:35
                                        You consent by your presence here. You were given a - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:47:02
                                             FINALLY you can vocalize where your ignorance lies. - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:57:51
                                             another non-argument - pickle MU - 6/12 14:57:26
                                             non responsive - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:51:24
                                                  No it was responsive, you just don't like it. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:59:38
                                                       1. How do you know we are or aren't working to change it - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 15:02:23
                                                       no (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:59:55
                                   the laydown (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 14:27:14
                                        The end of the argument when they're done doing - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 14:28:16
               I figured. Pickle knows what he is(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/12 13:48:32
               will you answer Swamp’s question? (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:47:41
          yes, consistently stupid and dishonest (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:30:12
     RE: DH thinks rights come from government - MOCO SON MU - 6/12 13:24:11
          do you have the right to take property from others by force? - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:31:03
               You ask that as if "people" are always united. They aren't. - GA Tiger MU - 6/12 13:48:28
                    wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:53:06
                    false - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:51:55
                         Basically what I said. (nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/12 14:02:48
                              so you were agreeing with me - ashtray UF - 6/12 14:04:18
     Where have I ever claimed that governments have rights? - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:10:52
          in the taxation thread below - pickle MU - 6/12 13:12:25
               The people have given the power to collect taxes to the - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:18:42
                    “oh, i did say government has rights. you were right” (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 13:34:17
                         A completely different usage of the word but you go ahead - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:41:24
                              No, they are giving you permission to borrow their - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:43:59
                                   You are as dumb as the cucumber. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:50:01
                                        it’s not their car - pickle MU - 6/12 13:52:28
                              holy **** lol - pickle MU - 6/12 13:43:55
                    LOL. Right to life, which the government may not - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:26:10
                         I'm giving you permission to take money from - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:29:42
                    if rights come from government - pickle MU - 6/12 13:20:54
                         Rights don't come from the government you tard! - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:27:10
                              where does education as a right come from? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:31:08
                                   The people you idiot! You believe in rights as this mystical - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:36:54
                                        So, a collective group can give my PERSONAL rights - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:40:05
                                        so... - pickle MU - 6/12 13:38:40
                                        then you have been consistently wrong - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:37:48
               oops (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:15:53
               he's tripping all over himself - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:13:28
     You have the right to remain silent pickle. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/12 13:02:44
          what’s the libertarian position on rights? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:05:07
               Aren't you on record as denying that there is a God? - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:13:23
                    oh dear - pickle MU - 6/12 13:16:16
                         Let's be clear. I am mocking you pickle. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/12 13:25:37
                              you call natural rights “bullshyte” - pickle MU - 6/12 13:28:38
                                   Why bother? You never listen to anyone, let alone me. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/12 13:31:46
                                        what are you afraid of? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:35:02
                                        lol - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:32:57
                              wow, what a stupid post - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:28:25
                         Why do you believe a libertarian has to believe in natural - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:20:19
                              Wow(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 6/12 13:24:30
                              because they are the foundation of libertarianism - pickle MU - 6/12 13:22:31
                              lol (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:22:03
                    lol... you're really reaching now (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:13:51
                         You are the ones that claim natural rights are part of our - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:23:08
                              what part of “natural” confuses you? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:33:14
                                   Yet you conviently ignore the fact that throughout human - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:56:41
                                        they have always been present - pickle MU - 6/12 14:09:17
                                             So you are suggesting that the bird in you example can - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 14:20:15
                                                  why do you do this? - pickle MU - 6/12 14:26:53
                                        it has been present throughout human history - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:57:58
                                             exactly. it’s not difficult (nm) - pickle MU - 6/12 14:09:40
                                   It was given to them by a proxy while in the egg (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 6/12 13:34:35
                              you're not a big reader, so I won't expect you - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:27:37
                                   And the founders of this country believed in God. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/12 13:32:23
                                        will you answer Swamp’s question? - pickle MU - 6/12 13:36:43
                                             I don't think he will (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 13:44:44
                                        does a creator have to equal God? - ashtray UF - 6/12 13:33:42
     from the people - SwampTiger MU - 6/12 12:55:27




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