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Very screwed up state

Posted on: February 25, 2020 at 14:46:17 CT
meatiger MU
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tens of billions of dollars on their pension system is owed, and no way of really getting that back.

Interesting that MN is just as progressive, yet runs surpluses. Tax rates are modestly high, but not ridiculous...except when you get into the cities (especially Minneapolis)
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4tigs..to answer your question - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:16:17
     You do make some points but Ds vote for bailouts as - jmlppx MU - 2/25 14:27:37
          "designed" - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:33:44
               And some do materialize. Nothing is 100% - jmlppx MU - 2/25 14:37:49
               Are jobs contractually promised? By whom? (nm) - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:34:58
                    They should be - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:37:09
                         And? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 15:02:12
                         Multiple problems with that analogy. Giving tax breaks is - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:58:04
                         Just asking, isn't Illinois dominated by Democrats (nm) - jmlppx MU - 2/25 14:38:58
                              Yes - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:43:27
                                   That is certainly true(nm) - jmlppx MU - 2/25 14:44:16
                              Yeah, but with the wealth in that state and such progressive - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:41:18
                                   Can't stop laughing at IllAnnoy. A true cluster(nm) - jmlppx MU - 2/25 14:42:38
                                        True dat. It amazes me that people don't see how poorly - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:47:32
                                             Very few paradigms that work locally - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:52:54
                                                  I don't follow. Locally, people decide for themselves what - JeffB MU - 2/25 15:00:36
                                                       Agreed on that - meatiger MU - 2/25 15:02:25
                                        Very screwed up state - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:46:17
                         Why should jobs be contractually promised? By universities?(nm) - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:38:08
          Never said Ds did not vote for bailouts - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:30:33
          You are being gracious - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 14:29:06
               True, sometimes gracious works, sometimes not😂(nm) - jmlppx MU - 2/25 14:40:27
     And that is apples and oranges - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 14:27:26
          Government bailed out many banks during the - ashtray UF - 2/25 15:02:24
               And that is not a bankruptcy per his post - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 15:09:38
                    they would have gone bankrupt had it not been for - ashtray UF - 2/25 15:14:32
                         Both are wrong - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 15:16:56
                              yes, but to right the previous wrong - ashtray UF - 2/25 15:22:47
                                   Damn - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 15:25:09
          Can you point out - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:29:49
               Your strategy wouldn't work. The federal government does - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:33:26
                    RE: Your strategy wouldn't work. The federal government does - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:39:30
                    You nailed it - I can't add to it(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 14:38:16
     No - pickle MU - 2/25 14:25:38
     the cost of bankruptcy is to the shareholder and lenders - tiger4real MU - 2/25 14:21:37
          Chap 11 is home run to single asset owners IMO - mu7176grad MU - 2/25 14:27:24
          The courts operate on taxpayer money. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/25 14:26:13
               Yes, but creditors are not being repayed - pickle MU - 2/25 14:29:55
                    Yeah, but I wouldn't call that the "cost of bankruptcy" (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/25 14:33:43
                    Were creditors not paid by taxpyers - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:33:02
                         i’m talking about bankruptcies - pickle MU - 2/25 14:56:17
                         I think pickle is talking about your run of the mill - ummmm MU - 2/25 14:33:59
                              mostly true - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:35:51
                                   Forgiven taxes is not akin to receipt of taxpayer money(nm) - ummmm MU - 2/25 14:40:15
          It is forced upon them though - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:26:11
     And to JeffB - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:17:03
          I blame the government even when the banks are making the - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:21:56
               the government makes the loans now - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:23:47
                    I get that. Saw it earlier in the thread below. My point is - JeffB MU - 2/25 14:28:27
                         agreed - meatiger MU - 2/25 14:31:49




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