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Sure, but for centuries now, the externalities of fossil

Posted on: February 21, 2020 at 15:35:07 CT

MrBlueSky MU

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fuel energy production have not been included into the price so the price is deflated.

The invisible hand, while a noble Adam Smith concept, does not play out in a "market" that is not a true market based on actual costs.

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World’s largest financier of fossil fuels has warned clients - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:12:18

we Are all gonna die !!!!!! - TigerFan92 MU - 2/21 20:15:38

RE: World’s largest financier of fossil fuels has warned clients - Tigrrrr! MU

- 2/21 17:33:09

The only solution is higher taxes and a government take over - hefeweizen MU

- 2/21 15:35:43

You're doing it again(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:51:20

There's one other solution for me now. - Toger STL - 2/21 15:44:49

At your age you'd be doing everyone a favor to ****te - tigerfans3 MU - 2/21 16:18:13

This is the biggest scam that the leftist, globalist elites - jonesin - 2/21 15:24:49

go on, what happens next (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU

- 2/21 15:31:29

Commies like you acquiesce and take our country with you. - jonesin - 2/21 15:37:06

and then, what do you and your buddies do? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU

- 2/21 15:39:37

Act rudely. - jonesin - 2/21 15:42:02

What is your basis for doubting it? There has to be one, - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 15:28:50

Jesus GAT. Did you read the post? I think I covered it. - jonesin - 2/21 15:38:02

You indicated you disagreed. That explains nothing as - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 15:53:27

he explained why, you simply don't understand it (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/21 18:58:38

China is the world's leading producer of energy from - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:25:46

That must be why their air is so clean. - Emoji Man MSU - 2/21 15:58:00

And world leader in pollution from coal. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/21 15:27:15

China has undergone industrialization in the last 70 years - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:28:16

You deluded fool. No, they aren't. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/21 19:29:04

BS. China doesn't kowtow to UN/European drivel. - jonesin - 2/21 15:32:55

Yup. All thanks to pussies like BlewGuys. - Emoji Man MSU - 2/21 15:59:23

China is currently building hundreds of coal power plants - Ferg STL - 2/21 15:31:19

Did you miss the part about China industrializing - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:32:42

since China is building new power plants, why wouldn't they - Ferg STL - 2/21 15:34:57

They're doing both, ferg. China has several of the largest - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:36:22

Then MOVE YOUR COMMIE ASS TO CHINA, SON. - jonesin - 2/21 15:33:55

And also the worlds leading supplier of airborne pollution. - jonesin - 2/21 15:27:08

correct, they have industrialized in the last century - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:31:13

China has more total output though... - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/21 15:44:29

Of course China emits a lot of carbon. I've said that - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:45:25

Not a lot...the most in the world - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/21 15:48:30

Per capita matters, of course. We are countries of - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:53:23

For sure, per capita does matter from a country - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/21 16:01:29

lol (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/21 15:21:01

COVID-19 says "Don't worry, I'll fix it." (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/21 15:18:29

Hold my petri dish and watch this!(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU

- 2/21 15:58:28

Poppycock. nm. - MUTGR MU - 2/21 15:18:01

Even more reason to build a southern wall - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 2/21 15:16:24

But it's porous & will let the water through. Maybe he needs - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:17:55

Do you think funding for fossil fuel projects will start - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:15:14

They should, the price per kilowatt hour of energy - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:17:34

Are Exxon execs just morons, investing so many billions - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:19:07

The fossil fuel industry is a 20th century industry - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:20:27

Do you have no trust in capitalism? Do you disbelieve that - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:33:18

Sure, but for centuries now, the externalities of fossil - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:35:07

So you are saying that under current circumstances fossil - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:38:15

No gov't intervention needed. The true costs of fossil fuels - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:39:04

Government intervention or 'moral suasion' are the only two - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:41:04

coal is dead but petro and nat gas will be around - Ferg STL - 2/21 15:24:01

Solar is cheaper per kilowatt hour of energy production - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:24:55

But how well does that translate into transportation for - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:35:39

I'm speaking only of energy production - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:48:55

Tesla is a leader & is producing in China & Europe. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 2/21 16:32:01

in a perfect situation it can be, but not in all - Ferg STL - 2/21 15:28:54

Storage costs are still too high - Spanky KU - 2/21 15:34:22

Because the fossil fuel industry is a 20th century - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:30:23

I think you are leaving some variables out of the equation, - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:43:49

That is not true, utilities are not fossil fuel companies - Ferg STL - 2/21 15:33:09

And you still are ignoring the information I shared - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:38:32

Are those marginal costs? Do they include batteries or other - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:51:04

Elon Musk's long distance electric tractor trailers aren't - JeffB MU

- 2/21 16:26:23

just listen to this, jeff - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:52:13

That's great. We're considering getting an electric vehicle - JeffB MU

- 2/21 16:29:17

Then they should get out of the financing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/21 15:13:54

RE: Then they should get out of the financing - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:14:44

Then they should get out of the business - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/21 15:16:57

It would cost them too much to do that without the governmen - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:31:29

Should world government be able to force them to stop? (nm) - JeffB MU

- 2/21 15:15:53

No, companies should make the economic choice on\ - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 15:22:33

Then you don't really need to convince anyone. The companies - JeffB MU

- 2/21 16:41:19