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yes. i mentioned this in another post but really it's a 3

Posted on: February 11, 2020 at 11:48:22 CT
blake1771 MU
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prong test.

you must have reasonable suspicion, ie facts, circumstances, inferences, etc based on a range of factors that the person is involved in criminal activity ( is about to, is currently, or just did)

you must also have reasonable suspicion that they are armed AND that they are dangerous.

an example would be like say an officer has worked a particular area that whole time and there is a certain street corner where he has made numerous arrests of people for dealing crack cocaine. The officer gets a call on a male in a green **** dealing drugs at 1st and Main St. The officer sees a guy, matching that description, on the corner. He sees a bulge under the guy's shirt and watches as several cars pull up to him over the course of 5-10 minutes and sees the guy run up to the driver's window, appear to exchange something unknown, and then the car drives off and he returns to the corner.

based on that officer's experience he believes he is witnessing an illegal drug transaction. He also knows based on his experience that drug dealers are often armed and dangerous. so he conducts a terry stop and frisks for weapons. He must be able to articulate all the facts of his reasonable suspicion or if he finds something it will be inadmissible usually.

that's sort of how it works. now if the officer is just pulling up and without any probable cause or reasonable suspicion ordering EVERYONE AGAINST THE WALL AND SPREAD 'EM!!! If the officer then proceeds to frisk everyone that is illegal

Edited by blake1771 at 12:24:02 on 02/11/20
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Love to watch Powell being lectured by idiots - mu7176grad MU - 2/11 10:29:43
     have you heard what Bloomberg said? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/11 10:36:32
          He said what Tigrrrr and 95% of Rs say here daily. Lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 10:58:09
               well mu7176grad refuses to believe what i’ve told him - pickle MU - 2/11 11:10:06
               Yeah, sure. - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 11:00:45
                    in lock step with your views (nm) - pickle MU - 2/11 11:10:34
                         You know my views? - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 11:38:14
                              RE: You know my views? - mizzoumurfkc KC - 2/11 11:54:27
                                   Shhhhh, the adults are talking.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 14:16:14
                              RE: You know my views? - pickle MU - 2/11 11:43:10
                                   Broken windows is not the same as Bloomberg's misuse - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 14:24:05
                                   LMFAO. Poor Tigrrr(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 11:47:04
                                        No, not really. - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 14:25:50
                                   lol(nm) - cnk ATL - 2/11 11:44:55
                    Dude, you are a big proponent of stop and frisk in minority - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 11:02:30
                         No, I am a proponent of stop and frisk as it was - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 11:36:19
                              RE: No, I am a proponent of stop and frisk as it was - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 11:47:50
                                   Nice to suckle at pickle's teat to use things taken out of - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 14:25:15
                         stop and frisk is a legally accepted practice nationwide - blake1771 MU - 2/11 11:35:53
                              tyranny. bottom line (nm) - pickle MU - 2/11 11:48:32
                         I sure as hell am. - Spanky KU - 2/11 11:11:10
                              What happens if you find someone with a firearm? - ummmm MU - 2/11 11:30:16
                                   Is it a legally obtained weapon being carried legally? - Spanky KU - 2/11 14:16:13
                                   I'm a little rusty on my Terry jurisprudence but I believe - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/11 11:40:50
                                        you must have reasonable suspicion that they are both - blake1771 MU - 2/11 11:45:37
                                             Game wardens are the worst ****ing nazis. - tigerdb MU - 2/11 12:08:50
                                                  cookie thinks you're scum - ashtray UF - 2/11 12:11:07
                                             is there any data on how many stops involving frisks - gmmm98 MU - 2/11 11:59:08
                                                  i don't know if they still do it but I think at one time - blake1771 MU - 2/11 12:09:32
                                             That makes sense(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/11 11:49:36
                                        The reasonable suspicion would have to pre-exist the - ummmm MU - 2/11 11:44:40
                                             Is the firearm concealed? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/11 11:48:50
                                             yes. i mentioned this in another post but really it's a 3 - blake1771 MU - 2/11 11:48:22
                                                  how did this person acquire the right to use force - pickle MU - 2/11 11:53:32
                                        I don't like the look of that ku icon on Spanky - cnk ATL - 2/11 11:42:11
                                             I would guess that would qualify as pretextual(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/11 11:45:13
                              "Reasonable", "look of", "concern"... - tigerdb MU - 2/11 11:24:18
                              "and/or look of suspects." - MrBlueSky MU - 2/11 11:20:40
                                   you’re not one to be calling others statists - pickle MU - 2/11 11:28:31
                                        compared to spanky, I certainly can. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/11 11:43:51
                                             just in different ways, you're probably actually worse than - SwampTiger MU - 2/11 11:51:56
                                                  lol sure (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/11 11:54:43
                                             Two sides of one coin, really. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/11 11:45:32
                                                  More of your absolutist world(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/11 12:17:30
                              Do all of these bullets have to be satisfied? - DC Jayhawk KU - 2/11 11:17:28
                                   Has to be a reasonable stop and have one or more - Spanky KU - 2/11 12:02:55
                              Yes, because you are an authoritarian - pickle MU - 2/11 11:15:15
                              Do those circumstances seem at all vague to you?(nm) - cnk ATL - 2/11 11:12:51
                                   any trained professional can articulate suspicion. - gmmm98 MU - 2/11 11:25:54
                              Mayor Mike will appreciate your support I'm sure(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 11:11:55
                         I thought it was stop, shoot & throwdown - tigerdb MU - 2/11 11:08:19
                         Maybe he is a proponent of it everywhere (nm) - tman MU - 2/11 11:06:19
                              I doubt it. If TheClown had said anything similar he'd be - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 11:08:50
                                   RE: I doubt it. If TheClown had said anything similar he'd be - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/11 11:37:05
                                        RE: I doubt it. If TheClown had said anything similar he'd be - hefeweizen MU - 2/11 11:48:22




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