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Come on man, Cuonzo is

Posted on: November 18, 2019 at 11:35:58 CT
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taking over what is likely the most challenging rebuild in modern college basketball. We are still in the very early stages of that. He inherited a D2 program in the toughest conference, an abysmal roster, a program on probation, basically zero fan support, and APR issues that limited his ability to turn the roster over.

Hiring Kim Anderson was a monumental mistake, but allowing him to coach for 3 entire seasons was akin to receiving a death penalty. When we brought him back for that third season (after 2 straight 14th place finishes, followed predictably by the least competitive MU team of all time) we might has well have mailed all potential and future recruits a letter that said 'MU DOES NOT CARE ABOUT MEN'S BASKETBALL'.

There is a very decent chance that Cuonzo isn't an elite coach and won't build a high level program here. Cuonzo is the hire that can hopefully build MU back to the point of being realistically able to hire such a coach. About 4 years from now we will likely have a rather difficult decision to make on whether we want to have a good coach with a good program or whether it is time to strive for more than that. But certainly we have to allow the good coach we did hire to do the job of rebuilding MU back to reasonable respectability.

It can not be understated how detrimental it was to give our job to someone who hadn't coached in D1 athletics since the prior century, and then after observing he couldn't possibly do the job allowing him to remain in charge of the program for 3 full seasons. There are long term and significant ramifications from doing something so stupid. The program can't simply just move on from that in a year or two. Its going to be a long and hard process to rebuild from.

Edited by FIJItiger at 11:37:00 on 11/18/19
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Why are we cutting HCCM so much slack? - Deputy Dawg MU - 11/18 05:38:22
     We signed 2-3 elite players. (nm) - mizzou john MU - 11/18 13:27:19
     Oh shucks, is that all - just signing 2-3 elite players - raskolnikov MU - 11/18 11:36:46
     Come on man, Cuonzo is - FIJItiger MU - 11/18 11:35:58
     I think you missed year 1. Probably missed the huge injuries - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 11:29:18
     I think the are both doing a good job(nm) - BOILERTIGER MU - 11/18 11:26:45
     Are we really starting this again? - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/18 11:15:00
     because he's a good coach - LamarFrazier MU - 11/18 09:35:21
          And it may just be coach speak, but he appears to want to - Domino MU - 11/18 09:37:31
               what's our o pace been under him? - LamarFrazier MU - 11/18 13:25:56
               Team doesn't get easy fast break pts so pressure - Sigma MU - 11/18 09:55:31
                    I think there are plenty of opportunity to get quick scores - Legendary50 UT - 11/18 10:00:49
                         Pinson looks like the only one with the speed and ability to - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 10:03:18
                              And once McKinney polishes his game up, we'll have another(nm) - Domino MU - 11/18 10:13:27
                              RE: Pinson looks like the only one with the speed and ability to - Legendary50 UT - 11/18 10:07:59
                                   The dunk has nothing to do with it. He routinely finishes - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 10:12:22
                                        Cuonzo said Mizzou missed 13 layups against Xavier - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 10:51:00
                                             Tray Jackson missed a 1 footer with no one guarding him(nm) - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 10:54:13
                                                  That was the game (nm) - Uncle John MU - 11/18 10:58:55
               We have pushed the pace in CM's first 2 years also - SuperTone MU - 11/18 09:53:38
               Mizzou will never be a high pace team under Cuonzo - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 09:47:26
                    slowest pace offense at MU ever - LamarFrazier MU - 11/18 13:25:09
                    A defensive minded guy like Martin is not one to go fast for - alwaysright MU - 11/18 10:43:55
                         Most of the best P6 teams don’t really play that fast - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 10:52:47
                              UNC is one of the fastest teams in the NCAA yearly (nm) - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 10:55:56
                                   I looked over the top 25 KenPom teams last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 11:52:55
                              This is true, but there are good teams that pick - alwaysright MU - 11/18 10:53:55
                    I agree but I do think there will be plenty of opportunities - Legendary50 UT - 11/18 09:56:00
                         Dru went for 22 because he had to to give the team - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 09:59:27
                              That is not what I'm saying........ - Legendary50 UT - 11/18 10:05:38
     I give CM a little more slack because he took over for the - jrmtiger MU - 11/18 09:27:46
          If anything, Martin's strong suit is coaching - Domino MU - 11/18 09:32:13
               Yea about half his recruits at Cal, Tennessee and Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 09:35:39
     Football sucks. I know, let’s rip on ALL PROGRAMS!!! - tiger4real MU - 11/18 08:27:07
     wtf are you talking about. Slack?(nm) - SabertoothTiger MU - 11/18 08:22:27
     2 yrs,1 bid. Go back to football board to unload - Sigma MU - 11/18 08:20:12
     He has made the tournament 50% of the time. If he makes - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 08:14:09
     This is only his third year - 615Tiger STL - 11/18 07:59:58
          2nd year was worse than his first year... - SuperTone MU - 11/18 08:20:40
               And after JP got hurt, it was completely expected (nm) - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 08:22:33
                    and also, I would say that isn't true. Last year in January - SuperTone MU - 11/18 09:09:29
                         Wait, so your argument is that we had 3 huge injuries but - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 11:32:13
                              Correct. Results fall on the coach.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/18 12:24:27
                                   To clarify: Cuonzo is responsible for their injuries?(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 13:07:09
                                        He is responsible for Wins and Losses.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/18 13:38:42
                                             Being responsible for something does not preclude mitigating - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 14:02:07
                                                  what argument am I presenting? This should be good.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/18 14:30:58
                                                       True, you never really come out and say. Should we consider - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 15:22:48
                    doesn't make it OK.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/18 09:07:40
                         Why not? Why should a huge injury completely outside his - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 11:30:57
                              JP didn't prevent this team from being a tournament team.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/18 12:24:48
                                   Per you, not just JP, MS & JP injuries all did. - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 13:06:20
                                        No. They didin't prevent it. It was a tournament team - SuperTone MU - 11/18 13:39:32
                                             No one should've had the expectation that was a tournament - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 14:07:56
                                                  You sure seem upset that Cuonzo is responsible for the team' - SuperTone MU - 11/18 14:30:39
                                                       I've never said he isn't. I'm simply accounting for context. - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/18 15:20:09
                         Gets a pass from me. (nm) - TheWildcat MU - 11/18 09:13:36
     He needs to produce some results this year as it is year 3 - SuperTone MU - 11/18 07:02:24
          This is the correct take on the matter. - alwaysright MU - 11/18 08:13:16
     He's doing just fine because - Newcatbirdseat MU - 11/18 06:58:38
     He did recruit a couple of those guys and then they got hurt - alwaysright MU - 11/18 06:50:34
     Recruiting to a 1/3 filled arena? - Genco98 MU - 11/18 06:39:03
          Has anybody asked Coach Martin if that's an issue? - Genco98 MU - 11/18 09:08:57
               I’m sure it is - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/18 09:22:00
                    I've watched every SEC team play this season and???? - Legendary50 UT - 11/18 09:44:23
          That's not an issue. - alwaysright MU - 11/18 06:49:40
     RE: Why are we cutting HCCM so much slack? - TBrown MU - 11/18 06:28:07
     Was Virginia cutting Tony Bennett too much slack? - Domino MU - 11/18 06:15:54
          +1000 - chuckaluck MU - 11/18 07:36:37




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