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$30k per year on insurance? Or uninsured treatments?

Posted on: May 9, 2019 at 13:27:04 CT
Badird MU
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Ill assume its insurance premiums and counter with a few questions:

Do you think all Americans can afford $30k per year to be insured?

Do you think they SHOULD have to pay $30k per year?

What happens to those that cant afford it and go to an ER anyway (where they will not be turned away)?



I dont know that a single payer HC is the best solution, but it should be examined. In the United States, we pay about double what other countries pay for what is arguably the same quality of treatment.

Austrailia's HC plan seems to strike the best balance between what many want. You have the option of paying 5% more in taxes for govt-funded healthcare or save that 5% and purchase it out of pocket. Those that think private insurance is better can get it and those that find it to be an exorbitant cost can pay more in taxes.
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Hey libs - scan MU - 5/9 13:09:17
     NHS failing. - Coors4bob MU - 5/9 14:37:49
     Are you comparing Medicare Advantage? Try Medicare with a - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:14:04
          Again, the reality is it's not Medicare (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:17:37
               I try explaining that to friends with it-blank stares(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:21:57
                    And they are the dolts that will be onboard for... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:24:52
          RE: Are you comparing Medicare Advantage? Try Medicare with a - scan MU - 5/9 14:15:31
               Age would not be a factor.(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:19:43
                    That's news to me. - Toger STL - 5/9 14:26:42
                         Link explaining Medicare Advantage - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:33:02
                              I didn't click on the more detailed links but I didn't - Toger STL - 5/9 14:39:43
                                   "Medicare for All" will be covering 16 year olds as well as - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:45:18
                                   We talking about if Medicare was for all and used the - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:43:29
                                        Believe you're correct. Thought I'd fcked up. - Toger STL - 5/9 14:45:35
                                        RE: We talking about if Medicare was for all and used the - scan MU - 5/9 14:45:21
                                             Found it-over 55 plan proposal - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 15:04:22
                                             Not sure who was pushing the 55 plan, but regardless if - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:57:00
                    RE: Age would not be a factor.(nm) - scan MU - 5/9 14:22:08
                         If Medicare was expanded for all your coverage would be as - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:28:10
                              RE: If Medicare was expanded for all your coverage would be as - scan MU - 5/9 14:29:59
                                   I have seen no projections of that being the case other - Mo Texan MU - 5/9 14:38:54
                                        RE: I have seen no projections of that being the case other - scan MU - 5/9 14:41:41
                                   Badird can't even grasp the concept that private insurance - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:35:59
                                        And you think that insurance companies dont account for - Badird MU - 5/9 14:40:51
                                             Are you really this dense in real life? - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:46:34
                                                  OMG you cant be serious. - Badird MU - 5/9 14:48:29
                                                       LOL! I learned nothing from you, Son... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:55:08
                                                            Ask the manager/owner of the grocery story if they have a - Badird MU - 5/9 14:58:26
                                                                 Son...You are off on a tangent and my point has completely - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 15:04:25
                                                                      Admit it, boy. You know you lost.(nm) - Badird MU - 5/9 15:07:59
                                                                           LOL! No, you were channeling Roseanne Roseannadanna... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 15:15:41
                                                                                Honestly, and I say this with the utmost condescension, - Badird MU - 5/9 15:18:53
                                                       Do farmers in the chicken egg business account for losses in - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:53:06
                                                            RE: Do farmers in the chicken egg business account for losses in - Badird MU - 5/9 14:56:27
                                                                 OMG! That is completely ****ed-up! - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 15:05:23
                    And you would not pay premiums for 50 years before... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:21:03
     Lib-ertarian here. Any idiot who puts his personal health - glue MU - 5/9 14:11:57
          I completely agree. Unfortunately, our socialist lib friends - MIZ45 MU - 5/9 14:14:12
          Own your own hospital? - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:13:13
     RE: Hey libs - MUTGR MU - 5/9 14:03:16
          Why do you assume a single-payer system run by government... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:05:28
               RE: Why do you assume a single-payer system run by government... - MUTGR MU - 5/9 14:14:43
                    The fraud would be massive with the government as a watchdog - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:16:40
                         And who pays for the insurance company's losses? - Badird MU - 5/9 14:23:27
                              No, it comes out of profits of the insurance companies... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:25:53
                                   lol you dont think insurance companies build in fraud costs - Badird MU - 5/9 14:38:22
                                        Do retail stores build in theft and shoplifting costs? - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:40:41
                                             YES! I worked Loss Prevention before. YES, a million times - Badird MU - 5/9 14:41:14
                                                  OMG! That's just ****ed-up! (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:47:26
                                                       RE: OMG! That's just ****ed-up! (nm) - Badird MU - 5/9 14:49:39
                                                            Good gawd you are a simpleton (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:55:53
                                                                 You, like many Trump supporters, dont operate in facts - Badird MU - 5/9 14:57:12
                         Health Insurance companies are a racket - MrBlueSky MU - 5/9 14:18:31
                              LOL! And the government is not a racket? - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:20:10
                              RE: Health Insurance companies are a racket - scan MU - 5/9 14:20:08
                                   Healthcare/health in general - MrBlueSky MU - 5/9 14:22:19
                                        What about food and clothing? - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:26:53
                                             Not saying anything is a right in this conversation - MrBlueSky MU - 5/9 14:31:59
                                                  You're making no sense (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:37:12
                                                       That made perfect sense.(nm) - Badird MU - 5/9 14:39:42
                                                            No, it didn't (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:47:50
                                                                 It did, reread.(nm) - Badird MU - 5/9 14:49:49
     How do you figure you will have to spend $10K?(nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 13:43:29
          RE: How do you figure you will have to spend $10K?(nm) - scan MU - 5/9 13:45:56
               All that will change because it really won't be Medicare... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:03:31
                    RE: All that will change because it really won't be Medicare... - scan MU - 5/9 14:06:53
                         Calling it Medicare For All is intentional deceptive... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:12:17
                              Medicare for most? (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/9 14:17:21
                                   Calling it Medicare is a lie (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:18:23
                              RE: Calling it Medicare For All is intentional deceptive... - scan MU - 5/9 14:14:45
                                   It will be twice as expensive as private insurance and... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:19:22
                                        Jesus man, were you triggered at an innocuous question - Badird MU - 5/9 14:21:04
                                             Actually, I have no skin in either system... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:23:15
     How much would I be saving by no longer paying for private - kcnorthside KC - 5/9 13:30:46
          Under scan's scenario, private insurance would be abolished - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 13:44:44
          Some people will break even. Lower middle class may save - Badird MU - 5/9 13:41:43
               RE: Some people will break even. Lower middle class may save - scan MU - 5/9 13:44:18
                    Sorry, I meant working individuals* Not those that are - Badird MU - 5/9 13:48:31
                         RE: Sorry, I meant working individuals* Not those that are - scan MU - 5/9 13:49:45
                              Thats the beauty of Australia's plan. An individual that - Badird MU - 5/9 13:55:07
                                   The US has more than 13 times the population of Australia... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:09:41
                                        Are you suggesting it could cost more per capita because - Badird MU - 5/9 14:16:30
                                             It brings about more problems and the fraud would be... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:28:38
                                                  You FEEL very strongly about this. - Badird MU - 5/9 14:39:13
                                   RE: Thats the beauty of Australia's plan. An individual that - scan MU - 5/9 13:59:42
                                        Im in the same boat. - Badird MU - 5/9 14:02:08
                                             If you think there is fraud in Medicare... - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:14:46
                                                  About as likely as insurance fraud + medicare fraud?(nm) - Badird MU - 5/9 14:19:53
                                                       First of all, the government is YOU while private insurance - DoltfromSTL MU - 5/9 14:31:16
     $30k per year on insurance? Or uninsured treatments? - Badird MU - 5/9 13:27:04
          To continue: - Badird MU - 5/9 13:38:51
               RE: To continue: - scan MU - 5/9 13:40:58
          RE: $30k per year on insurance? Or uninsured treatments? - scan MU - 5/9 13:31:46
               You still didnt answer my question. Your $30k bill... - Badird MU - 5/9 13:40:04
                    RE: You still didnt answer my question. Your $30k bill... - scan MU - 5/9 13:42:07
                         Thank you. As you said, those that have the means to retire - Badird MU - 5/9 13:46:42
                              RE: Thank you. As you said, those that have the means to retire - scan MU - 5/9 13:56:03
                                   I find that to be a very sad reality today. - Badird MU - 5/9 13:57:59
     Conservative here - JG MU - 5/9 13:26:40
          Stop it, your not a conservative - Coors4bob MU - 5/9 13:52:56
               Israel first, pro war, pro corrupt militARY And spy spending - JG MU - 5/9 14:00:32
               You're(nm) - Badird MU - 5/9 13:55:28
          lol - FootballRefugee MU - 5/9 13:32:41
     Retire. - Toger STL - 5/9 13:26:39
          In what industry do you work. - tman MU - 5/9 13:50:08
               Doing the dishes, laundrey, vacuuming, mowing - Toger STL - 5/9 13:57:59
     RE: Hey libs - Kim DUKE - 5/9 13:23:02
     You would also likely see (hopefully) a pay increase from - MrBlueSky MU - 5/9 13:13:08
          RE: You would also likely see (hopefully) a pay increase from - scan MU - 5/9 13:21:00
               65 is not that far away, is it?(nm) - Toger STL - 5/9 13:37:47
                    RE: 65 is not that far away, is it?(nm) - scan MU - 5/9 13:38:48
                         Time begins to fly at our age. - Toger STL - 5/9 13:41:12
                              RE: Time begins to fly at our age. - scan MU - 5/9 13:43:17
     infrastructure and jobs - SwampTiger MU - 5/9 13:12:58




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