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RE: What's the difference that matters? (nm)

Posted on: December 7, 2018 at 10:21:06 CT
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1. We were not in a state of war with Japan at the time of Pearl Harbor, we were when we nuked them.

That's what pickle's OP addresses. Also, "being in a state of war" doesn't give carte blanche rights to bomb whole cities. Or at least, it shouldn't.

2. We gave Japan fair warning and a chance to surrender before nuking, they did not with Pearl Harbor.

Well, in this case, I suppose Israel cannot complain if they are ever nuked by one of their "foes".
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How FDR's economic warfare provoked Japan's attack on PH - pickle MU - 12/7 09:53:49
     The Old 9-11(nm) - JG MU - 12/7 13:30:06
     RE: How FDR's economic warfare provoked Japan's attack on PH - None**** MU - 12/7 10:48:45
          Pickle is vainly trying to criticize the US and has - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:21:07
               The article is about FDR - pickle MU - 12/7 11:27:16
     Know what reasons that article gives for Japan - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 10:05:25
          Obviously you didn't read it - pickle MU - 12/7 10:14:13
               "Japanese diplomatic overtures" which demanded: - tigerinhogtown STL - 12/7 15:33:40
               Lets see, first we restricted sales of - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:06:22
                    You didn't read it - pickle MU - 12/7 11:12:52
                         Actually read it twice. And you gave - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:13:37
                              Well then what am I left to conclude? - pickle MU - 12/7 11:23:41
                    lol GAT (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/7 11:12:38
                         A superb rebuttal, fully showing your total intellect. - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:15:14
                              it wasn't a rebuttal (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/7 11:16:27
                                   Then I missed your point.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:18:20
                                        just letting you know I got a chuckle from your post (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/7 11:26:26
               Should FDR encouraged Japan's violation of the NAP - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:21:02
               And why oh why, Pickle, did the USA sanction Japan? - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:19:03
                    Economic sanctions /=/ aggressive military action (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:23:03
                         there was both. Reread my post - pickle MU - 12/7 10:27:39
                    sounds like you're in agreement then - pickle MU - 12/7 10:22:09
                         Ok, Japan was "provoked". So the hell what? You - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:09:55
                              I didn't define or redefine anything, GAT (nm) - pickle MU - 12/7 11:14:21
                                   But to use that word as an obvious criticism of - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:17:15
                                        So you're wrong again - pickle MU - 12/7 11:25:55
                         RE: sounds like you're in agreement then - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:26:13
     It’s always puzzling to me - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 09:59:28
          If that post had been written by an intelligent person, I - hokie VT - 12/7 10:30:18
               Why don't you try to engage for a change? - pickle MU - 12/7 10:42:50
          Wow. A hard level of stupidity to beat. PH is - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 10:08:18
               Japan didn't start it, GAT. It's right there in the article(nm) - pickle MU - 12/7 10:17:43
          I spent a lot of time in Japan on business for 10 yrs - mu7176grad MU - 12/7 10:07:04
               And that useless article didn't bother to mention that - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 10:10:35
                    Because the article is about the US and FDR, GAT - pickle MU - 12/7 10:19:06
                         Wow. Just wow. Somebody else can handle that. - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:07:50
                              You are so lost (nm) - pickle MU - 12/7 11:40:57
          Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets, dumb@ss - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:06:33
               Under that standard, the Japanese could have attacked - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:09:13
                    Civilian targets are most definitely military targets as - DHighlander KC - 12/7 11:12:06
                         Wow - pickle MU - 12/7 12:44:49
                         Yeah, really silly stuff. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 12:27:50
                    Pearl Harbor was a purely military target. It wasn't THAT - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:30:10
                         They knew better than to invade the us - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:39:24
                              Not invade.... attack. - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:43:10
                                   Wrong we invaded Okinawa - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:44:24
                                        Okinawa was not a Japanese island - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:49:33
                    Well no but babble on(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:17:39
                         Why not? - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:21:34
                              Do better Ringo - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:25:03
                                   Well, maybe not Macon. But probably Detroit or - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:54:57
                                        Because they didn't have a nuke. They DID - Spanky KU - 12/7 11:03:54
                                             Those are totally irrelevant factoids to the discussion - ummmm MU - 12/7 11:05:31
                                                  That Japan didn't have a nuke or the capability to - Spanky KU - 12/7 11:10:49
                                                       It is to the justification part of this thread. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 12:28:06
                    Exactly - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:12:18
          Or craft fantasies of Obama and Clinton conspiracies - pickle MU - 12/7 10:02:33
               FDR was a fascist and progressive? Whoa(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:05:20
                    he did have concentration camps(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:11:07
                         He did? I know they interned a few Japanese - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:16:57
                              I guess you did learn something - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:29:14
          Well if you don't see the difference, there isn't much hope - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:01:45
               I see a fairly large difference - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:05:21
                    Yeah, that's not the difference that matters - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:06:04
                         What's the difference that matters? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:07:43
                              RE: What's the difference that matters? (nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 10:15:28
                                   RE: What's the difference that matters? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:21:06
          It's possible for both to be terrible, you know that right - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:00:56
               Yes, very possible. - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:04:56
     1931: Japan invades Manchuria - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 09:57:09
          They also committed war crimes via unit 731. - RHAYWORTH MU - 12/7 10:11:09
               That's not why they were "nuked" (nm) - pickle MU - 12/7 10:29:02
               Japan was nuked to see how many civilians our - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/7 10:23:52
          Straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 12/7 10:01:08
               So if I removed "Japan was innocent" - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:02:13
                    It would still be a straw man - pickle MU - 12/7 10:04:48
                         That article you posted is full of conjecture - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:06:02
                              I don't believe you read the article (nm) - pickle MU - 12/7 10:08:39
                                   Absolutely I did - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:09:51
                              Also, we had not completely cracked Japan's codes in - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:08:35
          Hear, hear----but facts are lost on Pickle - mu7176grad MU - 12/7 09:59:25
               None of that is relevant or has any bearing on the article - pickle MU - 12/7 10:03:05
          FDR made them do it(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/7 09:58:36




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