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Posted on: April 24, 2018 at 12:23:47 CT
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Judicial Review
The Supreme Court of the United States spends much, if not most, of its time on a task which is not delegated to the Supreme Court by the Constitution. That task is: Hearing cases wherein the constitutionality of a law or regulation is challenged. The Supreme Court's nine Justices attempt to sort out what is, and what is not constitutional. This process is known as Judicial Review. But the states, in drafting the Constitution, did not delegate such a power to the Supreme Court, or to any branch of the government.

Since the constitution does not give this power to the court, you might wonder how it came to be that the court assumed this responsibility. The answer is that the court just started doing it and no one has put a stop to it. This assumption of power took place first in 1794 when the Supreme Court declared an act of congress to be unconstitutional, but went largely unnoticed until the landmark case of Marbury v Madison in 1803. Marbury is significant less for the issue that it settled (between Marbury and Madison) than for the fact that Chief Justice John Marshall used Marbury to provide a rationale for judicial review. Since then, the idea that the Supreme Court should be the arbiter of constitutionality issues has become so ingrained that most people incorrectly believe that the Constitution granted this power to the federal judiciary.

Powers of the Supreme Court
Article III of the Constitution provides for the establishment of a Judicial branch of the federal government and Section 2 of that article enumerates the powers of the Supreme Court. Here is Section 2, in part:

Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;

to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;
to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;
to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;
to Controversies between two or more States;
between a State and Citizens of another State;
between Citizens of different States;
between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Feel free to examine the entire text of Article III to assure yourself that no power of Judicial Review is granted by the Constitution.

"Well," you might say, "someone has to review laws for constitutionality. Why not the Supreme Court?" Some possible answers:

First and foremost, it is not a power granted to the Supreme Court by the Constitution. When the Supreme Court exercises Judicial Review, it is acting unconstitutionally.
It is a huge conflict of interest. The Federal Government is judging the constitutionality of its own laws. It is a classic case of "the fox guarding the hen house."
The Constitution's "checks and balances" were designed to prevent any one branch of government (legislative, executive or judicial) from becoming too powerful and running roughshod over the other branches. There is no such system of checks and balances to protect the states and the people when multiple branches of government, acting in concert, erode and destroy the rights and powers of the states and the people.
Even if the Supreme Court could be counted on to keep the Executive and Legislative branches from violating the Constitution, who is watching the Supreme Court and will prevent the Judicial branch from acting unconstitutionally? Unless you believe that the Supreme Court is infallible (and, demonstrably, it is not), then allowing the Supreme Court to be the sole arbiter of Constitutionality issues is obviously flawed.
Justices are appointed, not elected and may only be removed for bad behavior (which has happened in the distant past but these days, appointment to the Supreme Court is like a lifetime appointment). If the court upholds unconstitutional laws, there is no recourse available. We the People cannot simply vote them out to correct the situation. Thomas Jefferson wrote, in 1823:

"At the establishment of our constitution, the judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless and harmless members of the government. Experience, however, soon showed in what way they were to become the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means provided for their removal gave them a freehold and irresponsibility in office; that their decisions, seeming to concern individual suitors only, pass silent and unheeded by the public at large; that these decisions, nevertheless, become law by precedent, sapping, by little and little, the foundations of the constitution, and working its change by construction, before any one has perceived that that invisible and helpless worm has been busily employed in consuming its substance. In truth, man is not made to be trusted for life, if secured against all liability to account."

It is the Constitution, not the Supreme Court, which is the Supreme Law of the Land. Even the Supreme Court should be accountable for overstepping Constitutional limits on federal power.
Judicial review turns the Constitution on its head. The Judiciary was created as the weakest branch, controlled by both the Legislative and Executive branches. Judicial review makes the Judiciary master of both the Legislature and Ececutive, telling them both what that may and may not do.
There are only nine Justices and, under the current system, it takes only a simple majority — five votes — to determine a case. Given the supermajority requirement mandated by the Constitution to pass Constitutional amendments, a simple majority requirement by the Supreme Court, to uphold a suspect law, defies the spirit of the Constitution. If 44.44% of the Supreme Court justices (four of nine) think a law is not constitutional, we should err on the side of caution and declare it unconstitutional.
The people and the states have little control over the makeup of the Supreme Court.
Officials in all three branches of government take an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. The Supreme Court Justices, Senators, Congressmen, and Vice President, and other federal officers, all take an oath of office to "support and defend" the Constitution. (The president's oath of office in Article II, Section 1, requires that he "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.") Why is the Supreme Court's version of "constitutional" considered more authoritative? Is the Judicial branch more to be trusted than the Executive or Legislative branches? Prudence dictates that we be wary of all three branches (and especially wary of the one unaccountable branch).
Given that it was the people and the states which established the Constitution, it is the states who should settle issues of constitutionality. The Constitution is a set of rules made by the states as to how the government should act. The "judicial review" paradigm allows the government to make its own rules with no say by the original rule-makers — the states.
The Constitution was created by the states and any question as to the meaning of the Constitution is rightly settled by the states. When you make rules for your children, do you permit your children to interpret your rules in any manner they like? Of course not. Yet, the states are permitting the federal government — the "child" of the states — to do exactly that.
Since the power of Judicial Review is not expressly granted to the Supreme Court by the Constitution, this power, per the tenth amendment, is "reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

Edited by 90Tiger at 12:25:57 on 04/24/18
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7 openings on 9th Circuit Court of Appeals - Spanky KU - 4/24 10:46:54
     Are you not confident his House and Senate majorities will - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/24 11:12:33
          House? no - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:41:59
     What does the house have to do with it? - tigerdb MU - 4/24 11:11:48
          The public servants are in recess for half the summer? - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:13:11
               probably do less damage when out of DC, than when they're - tigerdb MU - 4/24 11:55:02
                    Maybe in schoolhouse rock they do that. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:58:29
                    yeah, that's what they do when not in DC - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:57:19
                         You're really struggling teetee - tigerdb MU - 4/24 12:04:20
                              yeah, that's what they will do when not in DC - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:06:27
     What do you mean? Don't these people just interpret - ummmm MU - 4/24 10:58:26
          I can't find the judicial review clause in the Constitution. - TigerMatt MU - 4/24 11:07:18
               You don't want to find it - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:21:58
                    RE: You don't want to find it - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:49:28
                    RE: You don't want to find it - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:34:13
                    Not even those who believe in judicial review will - TigerMatt MU - 4/24 11:34:02
                         It is an implied power - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:51:50
                              Federalist 78 was written by Alexander Hamilton who did - ummmm MU - 4/24 12:00:41
                                   RE: Federalist 78 was written by Alexander Hamilton who did - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:05:34
                                   BUT IT'S A LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HE'S AN AUTHORITY - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:05:03
                              and if it is an implied power, why did you quote the constit - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:53:02
                              RE: It is an implied power - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:52:29
                                   Was that question intended for me to answer? You posted - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:57:54
                                        lmfao "merely served to affirm" - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:04:29
                                             You ignored almost ALL of my post.. - Spanky KU - 4/24 12:15:37
                                                  Those professors should start with a plain reading of the - ummmm MU - 4/24 12:32:17
                                                  RE: You ignored almost ALL of my post.. - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:23:47
                                                       "In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court - Spanky KU - 4/24 12:25:15
                                                            is that supposed to be where the power of judicial review - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:27:07
                                                  Because John Yoo and Saikrishna Prakash aren't - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:20:48
                                                       RE: Because John Yoo and Saikrishna Prakash aren't - Spanky KU - 4/24 12:25:55
                                                            RE: Because John Yoo and Saikrishna Prakash aren't - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:27:18
                                                                 Read! - Spanky KU - 4/24 12:35:57
                                                                      and yet you still claim it is only "implied" and requires - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:41:40
                                                                      and still it didn't make it into the constitution (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 12:40:01
                                                                      And yet, it was not included in the actual Constitution - ummmm MU - 4/24 12:37:21
                                                                           The nation disagrees with you - Spanky KU - 4/24 12:51:16
                                                                                lol and there we have it!, the laydown, spanky style (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 13:01:55
                                                                                     No laydown... You are wrong and no-one agrees with you - Spanky KU - 4/24 13:23:08
                                                                                          ...or who endorses that law. - ummmm MU - 4/24 13:31:24
                                                                                          You in this thread: - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 13:31:19
                                                                                          you've rather embarrassingly made the point (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 13:29:03
                                                                                argumentum ad populum (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 4/24 12:54:05
                                                                                No way. The benefactors of the power grab disagree with - ummmm MU - 4/24 12:53:37
                         If it is in the constitution, what was the importance of M v - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:34:50
                              Home run trot? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:45:55
                                   just waiting for Spanky, the constitutional scholar to - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:49:51
                              That case also shows the political hackery of the court - TigerMatt MU - 4/24 11:39:34
                    cases - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:33:59
               It's right below the clause that authorizes the President - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:10:18
                    Oh yeah, by the Exceptions to the 2nd Amendment clause.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 4/24 11:35:13
          Not those that are appointed by Democrats - Spanky KU - 4/24 10:59:09
               Hmm... I thought judges just followed the law. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:09:21
               LOL - mizzoumurfkc MU - 4/24 11:03:57
               Lol like John Roberts? The Obamacare deciding vote.(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 4/24 11:02:02
                    why was roberts' vote "the deciding" vote - didn't the other - 90Tiger MU - 4/24 11:07:03
                         It's as if he didn't think before posting that - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:08:26
                    What makes Roberts the deciding vote? - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:04:59
                         I guess he wasn’t the deciding vote - El-ahrairah BAMA - 4/24 12:28:13
                         Maybe not the deciding vote, but he did write the majority - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:08:47
                              So not the deciding vote. Got it - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:22:33
                                   As I just indicated, yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/24 11:36:20
          He will curse Dirty Harry for invoking the Nuclear Option - Spanky KU - 4/24 11:04:02




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