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Do you really not see what the real issue is in this case?

Posted on: December 23, 2017 at 10:37:23 CT
JeffB MU
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The bottom line criteria is whether or not the person is reasonably perceived to be a viable threat to the person who uses deadly force as self defense.

How they got to that point is generally not an issue.

As a for instance:

If someone came up to you to complain that your kids are playing in his yard and trampled some flowers in his flower bed, is that a reasonable reason for you to kill him? I think we can all agree that that is not the case. If on the other hand he threatens to kill them if he sees them do it again, the threat level has escalated significantly. If you see him come out later with something that looks like a gun and seems to be ready to shoot one of your kids running across his lawn to pick up an errant baseball would it be unreasonable for you to shoot him? If so, does it really matter that originally he had a reasonably legitimate complaint? Killing someone because he wants your kids to stay out of his yard is pretty absurd, of course. Killing him because he is a legitimate threat to your child's life is a different matter completely.
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Cops shoot and kill 6 year old boy - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/22 19:51:27
     If a citizen shoots at a criminal, misses and kills someone - TigerMatt STL - 12/22 23:10:49
          Check your premise, as your compadre pickle would say. - JeffB MU - 12/23 11:28:44
     could the residents of the home the police shot through the - MrTruman2U MU - 12/22 21:09:28
          of course (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 22:42:34
          I’ve often said the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/22 21:17:07
               You sure talk tough for someone wanting - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/22 21:25:04
          You are an idiot (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/22 21:09:59
               if the police fire through my house snd kill my child what - MrTruman2U MU - 12/22 22:00:17
                    no law prevents you from anything (nm) - pickle MU - 12/22 22:44:57
                         Once again, pickle is no worse than Isis or BLM. - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/23 08:17:00
                              you are an idiot, Tigrrr - pickle MU - 12/23 09:20:37
                                   Go ahead and preach your bullsh*t and when someone - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/23 09:24:09
                                        this is a perfect example of your not understanding a thing(nm) - pickle MU - 12/23 10:30:48
     rule of thumb- never ever shoot because of a car theft.(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 12/22 20:00:44
          you shoot to eliminate a threat - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/22 20:02:22
               how about if you turn something into a threat? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/22 20:27:59
                    If you were a cop & someone who allegedly stole a car - JeffB MU - 12/22 20:30:21
                         yes. I just find it curious when and why cops decide - 90Tiger MU - 12/22 21:42:38
                              I think there are definitely times when there are abuses, - JeffB MU - 12/22 22:14:30
                                   it's a car. I'm not allowed to rig my car to kill someone i - 90Tiger MU - 12/22 22:17:25
                                        No, of course not, but the original cause for them being - JeffB MU - 12/22 22:29:01
                                             why is that not an issue and you can just dismiss it? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/23 00:25:15
                                                  Do you really not see what the real issue is in this case? - JeffB MU - 12/23 10:37:23
                                                       you will never understand rights (nm) - pickle MU - 12/23 10:51:06
                                                            Another of your worthless responses. But you refuse - JeffB MU - 12/23 10:56:18
                                                                 it’s a simple fact (nm) - pickle MU - 12/23 11:07:58
                                                                      No, it is a false premise, which is not unusual for you. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/23 11:41:21
                                                                           no, it’s not a false premise - pickle MU - 12/23 12:14:47
                                                                                It is a false premise, because you misunderstand rights, - JeffB MU - 12/23 14:31:55
                                                                                     it isn’t a false premise at all, Jeff - pickle MU - 12/23 19:08:28
                              they are now taught to deal with threats with guns - meatiger MU - 12/22 21:55:10
     Too many cops out of control. Fact. And - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 19:59:15
          She pointed a gun at deputies - TheShoe STL - 12/22 20:00:30
               rule of thumb - never ever point a gun at cops. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/22 20:17:30
                    is that what the 6 year old boy did?(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/22 21:17:43
                         No, of course not. She was running. Someone missed. It is - JeffB MU - 12/22 22:17:03
                              so if it were two citizens - meatiger MU - 12/22 22:22:50
                                   I'm guessing that the police were citizens, but even if it - JeffB MU - 12/22 22:45:46
                                        cops are not "just citizens" - meatiger MU - 12/22 22:50:42
                                             Sure. Do you disagree with anything that I said in the post(nm) - JeffB MU - 12/22 22:56:11
                                                  On ordinary citizens..not really - meatiger MU - 12/22 23:01:08
                                                       The homeowner's insurance would pay under the liability - JeffB MU - 12/22 23:07:47
                                                            Depends - meatiger MU - 12/22 23:11:28
                                                                 A couple of things: Poor people without insurance are - JeffB MU - 12/23 10:52:30
               Ok. Didn't see that. Then they need to be better shots.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/22 20:04:43
               Hours before. (nm) - meatiger MU - 12/22 20:04:12
                    That honestly wouldn't matter to me - TheShoe STL - 12/22 20:11:28
                         Of course it doesn't. You are immoral.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/22 23:11:38




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