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Censure is appropriate, expulsion no

Posted on: November 16, 2017 at 15:48:14 CT
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The fact that the woman says she doesn't want him removed from senate is definitely relevant.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/360709-woman-who-accused-franken-says-she-accepts-his-apology

Accepting the woman's account entirely it still doesn't justify expulsion from the senate. She wasn't underage. Franken's behavior was boorish, and accurately described as sexual harassment. But the account of the "kiss" and the photo are not sufficient grounds to overturn an election. He should be censured.

First, the kiss. He does have the defense of rehersing a scene that called for a kiss, but, it was boorish sexist behavior. The photo is clearly intended as a gag photo. He is posing for the camera, not attempting sexual gratification, based on the photo. Still, it is demeaning and inappropriate. He was a comedian at the time, and comedians do a lot of things that are in poor taste, but censure is appropriate. For one thing, censure establishes a sort of probation. Another offense in the future will be dealt with more harshly.

At this time, a pattern of behavior has not been established. If more women come forward this could change.

He has shown some level of remorse (as opposed to Moore and Trump). He has indicated his recollection of the kiss doesn't square entirely with the woman's, but that isn't unusual and he hasn't accused her of lying for political reasons.

Congress is not going to expel him. For one thing, think of the precident it would set for congressmen and for Trump himself.

I also don't see any basis for legally forcing Moore from the race at the current time. If he is forced out, it will be through the power of non-legal coercion by party officials. If people want to vote for him, that is their right. If people don't want to vote for him, that is also their right.

Edited by Knucklehead at 15:54:04 on 11/16/17
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Do you accept Franken’s apology? - Silas MU - 11/16 15:16:33
     Do you think she's aware he 'renounced his apology' the - Spanky KU - 11/16 16:08:01
          Your representations have been unreliable in the past - Knucklehead MU - 11/16 16:14:43
               I did it earlier. Read - Spanky KU - 11/16 17:00:17
     Censure is appropriate, expulsion no - Knucklehead MU - 11/16 15:48:14
     He didn't apologize to me (nm) - pickle MU - 11/16 15:42:24
          Are you a supporter of women? - Silas MU - 11/16 15:45:31
     Bet the fine people of Minnesota will see the error of their - STL1DFW STL - 11/16 15:39:57
          And you write this with Trump as our POTUS... - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:44:09
               Thankfully he is POTUS! & thankfully was ever only guilty - STL1DFW STL - 11/16 15:55:37
          Don't be so sure....they voted Jesse Ventura as gov too (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:40:44
               Ha, true. It’s a pretty damn liberal state. Ventura being an - STL1DFW STL - 11/16 15:47:51
     It wasn't an apology. - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:26:41
          "I'm Sorry" - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 15:34:09
               lol nice excuse making (nm) - Sal KC - 11/16 16:40:43
               'It was a joke' isn't much of an apology either - Spanky KU - 11/16 16:08:49
               Claiming that he doesn't remember it suggests that it is - Alferd Packer MU - 11/16 15:53:50
               "I'm sorry... - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:42:44
                    The man said he was sorry - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 15:47:27
                         Crocodile Tears! He was forced to do something when caught - STL1DFW STL - 11/16 15:52:29
                              Picture was not of criminality - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 17:23:21
                         I'm not saying "I'm sorry" is bad... - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:52:15
                              For petesakes pal grow up in reference to Al Franken - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 17:25:05
               The "R v. D"-ness is palpable. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/16 15:36:19
                    Not for me... - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:39:39
               So let him keep his seat and let Moore take his. Right? If - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:35:48
                    Moore locked a child in his car and against her struggles - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 15:49:02
                         Lol, makes up fantasy for another of his political hack - STL1DFW STL - 11/16 16:12:02
                              TESTIMONY of the victim is not hearsay friend* - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 17:26:04
                         How do you know this? - Alferd Packer MU - 11/16 15:56:30
                              Keep up - you blowhards form uninformed opinions - Silas MU - 11/16 16:03:06
                                   Lmao, my Lord, his weak. One time Moore looked at - STL1DFW STL - 11/16 16:18:44
          RE: It wasn't an apology. - playhard NWMSU - 11/16 15:29:34
               "I certainly don't remember the rehearsal for the skit... - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:35:44
                    How does that compare to Moore's appology? - Knucklehead MU - 11/16 15:59:35
                    Rush played the 2013 audio of him talking about that - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:37:08
               Why did he talk about that rehearsal in 2013 then? Did he - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:30:59
     She was just interviewed by Hannity and said - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:24:32
          Moore trapped and molested a 16 yr old girl in his car - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 15:36:03
               What was the case number? What was his sentence? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:37:35
                    Was there a case number for Chappaquiddick? - Silas MU - 11/16 15:40:43
                         No, there was Kennedy's car. A dead woman inside..ouch* - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:41:16
                              Case number. Provide the case number. - Silas MU - 11/16 16:05:44
          Moore isn’t in the Senate. Try to keep up, Guy. - Silas MU - 11/16 15:28:56
               No, but there has been talk of not seating him, or expelling - tman KC - 11/16 15:31:33
                    The GOP is talking about not seating him - raskolnikov MU - 11/16 15:50:14
                    that talk is from McConnell, your hero - Silas MU - 11/16 15:33:55
                         You are weird(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:35:06
                    LOL(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:31:46
               You are funny DOC...you aren't winning, btw(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:30:16
          I have no problem with that Guy... - molon labe MU - 11/16 15:27:39
               Moore? No, he's about to get elected to US Senate - MUGuy2004 STL - 11/16 15:29:20
     He didn't apologize to me. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/16 15:22:37
     Sure but he should resign(nm) - tman KC - 11/16 15:22:33
          She isn’t calling for him to resign - Silas MU - 11/16 15:24:10
               Doesn't matter. Admitted sexual assault. He should not be - tman KC - 11/16 15:25:40
     I bet Tweeden feels empowered as hell now. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 11/16 15:22:09




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