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I think there can be a hierarchy of allegiance...

Posted on: October 8, 2017 at 22:43:06 CT
JeffB MU
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al·le·giance
əˈlējəns/
noun
noun: allegiance; plural noun: allegiances

loyalty or commitment of a subordinate to a superior or of an individual to a group or cause.
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One could have allegiance to a military hierarchy, for instance. A private must have allegiance to and follow the orders of a corporal, who must follow the orders of a sergeant, who must follow the orders of a lieutenant, etc.

But if a sergeant orders a private to commit some crime against military principles, the private is not required to do so... in fact, he may be required to ignore that sergeant's orders.

The command to massacre unarmed civilians, as at My Lai was an example of that.

But that is an example of someone in that hierarchical structure who betrayed the allegiance of those to whom s/he owed it, and those below him/her are not bound by perverted commands... even though they may pay consequences, even very severe ones for not submitting to that perverted allegiance structure.

When that hierarchical structure is in harmony all is well... when it is perverted, it is not.

God -> God's Law -> Government -> military ->

Edited by JeffB at 22:43:56 on 10/08/17
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     In 4 tigs defense - meatiger MU - 10/8 21:03:24
     No as you cannot disrespect that which is immoral(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 19:31:20
          Good job 4tig. You triggered 4 kooks with one post. - Ferg STL - 10/8 19:56:07
          lol - FootballRefugee MU - 10/8 19:55:20
               he is a burning beacon of hypocrisy(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 10/8 19:56:27
                    RE: he is a burning beacon of hypocrisy(nm) - FootballRefugee MU - 10/8 19:59:30
          since morality is an individual matter - pickle MU - 10/8 19:53:26
               Wrong. wrong. & wrong again. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/8 20:41:30
          Just curious about who and how it is decided as immoral(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 10/8 19:47:04
          So, it's a subjective standard. - ummmm MU - 10/8 19:38:57
               It seems to me that there are several different questions in - JeffB MU - 10/8 22:20:51
               I have not heard one NFL player make that argument - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:47:08
                    You haven't? What are they doing then? - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:54:58
                         My children don't always do the right thing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:57:23
                              Stop changing the subject. - ummmm MU - 10/8 21:00:35
                                   You are the one taking the players stance that the US makes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 21:03:06
                                        goddamn you excuse evil and immorality - pickle MU - 10/8 21:27:08
                                             Irony. Your excuse for evil & immorality is based upon your - JeffB MU - 10/8 21:41:34
                                                  you're an idiot, Jeff - pickle MU - 10/8 21:51:32
                                                       Funny, most people would think that someone like you - JeffB MU - 10/8 22:00:49
          lmfao (nm) - pickle MU - 10/8 19:37:57
          you're truly pathetic in your contortions (due to lacking - 90Tiger MU - 10/8 19:37:50
               If you would like to offer your argument for the morality - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:44:25
                    RE: If you would like to offer your argument for the morality - 90Tiger MU - 10/8 22:05:15
                    nice dodge, 4Tigs (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 10/8 22:04:48
                         Blowing up your feckless argument is not a dodge - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 22:07:55
                              no, yours was the dodge - pickle MU - 10/9 07:33:08
     RE: 4Tigs: Do you disapprove of this intentional disrespect? - El-ahrairah KC - 10/8 19:29:26
          Really? You didn't just go there, did you? Wow! - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/8 19:58:29
               Can I assume you have no problem with what muslims - GA Tiger MU - 10/8 20:32:13
                    Your assumption would be false. - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/8 22:29:58
                         Funny. Thats exactly what they say about YOU. And - GA Tiger MU - 10/9 07:52:49
               what a load of bull**** (nm) - pickle MU - 10/8 20:01:32
          False issue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 19:33:26
               If you pledge allegiance to God and to the USA - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:02:10
                    God first. Simple(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:45:03
                         RE: God first. Simple(nm) - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:48:10
                              Yes I am - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:50:10
                                   No. You're not pledging allegiance - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:52:27
                                        God has me pledge fidelity and allegiance to my spouse - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:56:28
                                             So you're allegiance is to God - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:59:34
                                                  I think there can be a hierarchy of allegiance... - JeffB MU - 10/8 22:43:06
                                                       No, in the true sense of the word, one can only swear - ummmm MU - 10/9 08:20:07
                                                            I didn't see that in the definitions... and if those - JeffB MU - 10/9 11:23:13
                                                                 My point wouldn't be found in the definition of the word. - ummmm MU - 10/9 11:58:55
                                                  I do quite well - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 21:01:09
                                                       RE: I do quite well - ummmm MU - 10/8 21:03:23
                    See Genesis chapter 22. - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/8 20:06:11
                         That doesn't answer my question. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:09:52
                              Of course it does. It makes clear who gets top - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/8 20:11:55
                                   If that's the case, you're not pledging allegiance to the - ummmm MU - 10/8 20:21:17
                                        False. Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's, as Christ - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/8 22:33:52
                                             dude - MizzouAstro MU - 10/9 08:06:59
                                             The flag is a Golden Calf. You completely miss the point - TigerMatt MU - 10/9 00:44:08
                                                  truth(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 10/9 08:09:23
                                   it doesn't (nm) - pickle MU - 10/8 20:13:22
               you can't serve two masters - MizzouAstro MU - 10/8 19:47:45
                    False. - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/8 20:02:16
                         People sometimes amaze me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/8 20:49:29
               more of this - 90Tiger MU - 10/8 19:38:36
               Disagree - El-ahrairah KC - 10/8 19:35:32




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