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Lincoln initiated the war. Secession wasn't war. The

Posted on: August 15, 2017 at 11:13:33 CT
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war wasn't fought over slavery, it was fought over secession and federalism.

Hence, you're position is inaccurate and you likely know it.
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The hubbub around confederate war memorials really shows - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:14:27
     War always obliterates civilians. Your point?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 8/15 11:58:15
          My point is expressly laid out in my OP. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/15 12:00:48
               A strange point then, since the difference is - GA Tiger MU - 8/15 12:11:08
                    You are stupid and ignorant - pickle MU - 8/16 08:08:30
     To the victor goes the spoils(nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/15 11:32:51
     lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 10:47:59
          My OP certainly alludes to posters like yourself. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:51:29
               your OP is moral relativist gibberish - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 10:54:28
                    What does moral relativism have anything to do with this - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:00:45
                         well, he earned a big huggy hrrumph from FR, so it - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:01:34
                              In giving this some more thought, it's very interesting that - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:06:04
                                   lol - FootballRefugee MU - 8/15 12:03:28
                                   lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:11:31
                                        I'll take that as a lay down. - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:14:59
                                             He's an idiot - pickle MU - 8/15 11:25:03
                                   that sums it up (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:08:30
                    it's his stock in trade - FootballRefugee MU - 8/15 10:57:58
                         talk about a stock in trade post, good grief, FR (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:59:25
                              oh, look, it's Charlie Gordon again - FootballRefugee MU - 8/15 12:03:55
                    It's nothing of the sort - pickle MU - 8/15 10:56:46
                         do you think the Japanese held the same standing - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:04:19
                              As 90Tiger correctly points out below, morality is an - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:17:04
                                   life must be such a joy being so simple(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:22:31
                                        simple is not thinking, rags. You're doing a fine job - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:27:43
                                        Says the guy operating on a "good vs. evil" dichotomy (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:24:26
                              countries don't have "moral standings", start there. People - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:07:01
                              What? Stay on topic here (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:05:32
                                   answer the question boy - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:10:33
                                        No. You're trying to change the subject (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:24:00
                    his OP is spot-on. what's moral relativism have to do - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:55:55
     1 more reason to hate Walmart - downtown Bentonville - tigerinhogtown STL - 8/15 10:38:09
     There is no reason to have monuments to traitors. - limenats MU - 8/15 10:18:14
          Whoe's we? - justwinbaby KC - 8/15 11:34:07
          RE: There is no reason to have monuments to traitors. - MOCO SON MU - 8/15 10:47:49
          spot on^^^^^^ - diaclone ISU - 8/15 10:39:09
               RE: spot on^^^^^^ - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:45:27
          Should CalExit supporters be hanged?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 8/15 10:38:12
               After the texans, of course(nm) - tigerdb MU - 8/15 11:27:14
          They weren't traitors - pickle MU - 8/15 10:23:12
          You're embarrassing yourself (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:21:15
          Yeah, this post would be a good example of what I was - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:20:33
               Watch and learn - limenats MU - 8/15 10:21:48
                    I don't support keeping the confederate statues, fyi. - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:23:53
                    maybe read the OP again - SwampTiger MU - 8/15 10:23:45
                         I don't equate momuments to those who fought for slavery - limenats MU - 8/15 10:32:28
                              good grief, is there anything about history you know? - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:47:05
                              Slavery wasn't why the war was fought - pickle MU - 8/15 10:39:37
                              Nobody was fighting for or against slavery. That is a - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:35:37
                    Why have monuments to slave owners?(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:23:39
                         Why have monuments to men? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 10:28:34
                              Why not if people want to? They Can do as they choose(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:33:23
                                   I'm asking you - pickle MU - 8/15 10:43:08
                                        I wouldn't have them. But to each their own - tman KC - 8/15 10:45:16
                                             I answer them constantly - pickle MU - 8/15 10:57:33
                                   Can I choose whether or not to pay for Mt. Rushmore? (nm) - Evenflow MU - 8/15 10:34:50
                                        Sure if you want too. Just don't pay taxes - tman KC - 8/15 10:42:29
                                             for a smart guy, you sure use this bailout, lame POS - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:46:28
                                                  I don't diagree. There are many privately funded memorials - tman KC - 8/15 10:50:42
                                             Just don't pay taxes. - Evenflow MU - 8/15 10:43:54
                                                  Well it was a dumb hypothetical - tman KC - 8/15 10:48:14
                                                       What hypothetical? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:01:45
                                                            Him paying for Mt Rushmore.(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 11:07:43
                                                                 There was no hypothetical (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:26:08
                                                                 who paid for it? by "him" he means "the taxpayer". didn't - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:09:51
                                                                      Again the thread is not about - tman KC - 8/15 11:18:06
                                                                           You offer nothing (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:26:48
                                                                                Then we match(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 11:48:19
                                                                                     I suggest you pay better attention - pickle MU - 8/15 13:18:12
                         Were they erected BECAUSE they were slave owners? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:25:48
                              Doesn't matter. They are offensive - tman KC - 8/15 10:30:10
                                   Right, they fought to keep slavery. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:31:08
                                        false - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:47:34
                                             Without slavery, the Civil War never happens. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:50:20
                                                  without humans, the civil are never happens - next - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:57:16
                              no statue being discussed on this board fits that - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:28:16
                                   Thank you for making my point! (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:29:26
                                        you don't have a point. the KKK has a right to assembly - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:31:05
                                             My point is no one objects to monuments - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:33:24
                                                  No I am not. There should not be statutes to people - tman KC - 8/15 10:38:47
                                                       What a childish view of humanity. - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:49:22
                                                            No they arent, and the North didn't go to war - tman KC - 8/15 10:53:35
                                                                 The fundamental root cause of the Civil War was slavery.(nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:54:37
                                                                      false - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:58:36
                                                                      Why did the North to war?(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:57:46
                                                                           To prevent Southern states from breaking away. - tigerspy MU - 8/15 11:10:09
                                                                                Lincoln initiated the war. Secession wasn't war. The - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:13:33
                                                                                     The first shots were fired by the South. - tigerspy MU - 8/15 11:15:49
                                                                                          lol, oh, ok. well that settles that. Good grief, spy, - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:30:00
                                                       who decides what is despicable and when? today's - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:45:03
                                                            Bingo. (nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:51:57
                                                  No, the point is tearing down monuments because someone - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:37:34




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