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In giving this some more thought, it's very interesting that

Posted on: August 15, 2017 at 11:06:04 CT
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Ragnar brought up moral relativism.

In one corner, you have me (you, pickle, Matt, etc.) who are saying that murderous ways should not been rejected or accepted on the basis of which side of war you find yourself on or who won the war and wrote the history. Essentially, the opposite of moral relativism.

In the other corner, you have Ragnar (and FR, etc.) who are calling us idiots for expressing a universally applied morality, and somehow accusing us of moral relativism in the same blush.

I would be embarrassed, if I were him.

Edited by ummmm at 11:06:43 on 08/15/17
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The hubbub around confederate war memorials really shows - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:14:27
     War always obliterates civilians. Your point?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 8/15 11:58:15
          My point is expressly laid out in my OP. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/15 12:00:48
               A strange point then, since the difference is - GA Tiger MU - 8/15 12:11:08
                    You are stupid and ignorant - pickle MU - 8/16 08:08:30
     To the victor goes the spoils(nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/15 11:32:51
     lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 10:47:59
          My OP certainly alludes to posters like yourself. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:51:29
               your OP is moral relativist gibberish - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 10:54:28
                    What does moral relativism have anything to do with this - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:00:45
                         well, he earned a big huggy hrrumph from FR, so it - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:01:34
                              In giving this some more thought, it's very interesting that - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:06:04
                                   lol - FootballRefugee MU - 8/15 12:03:28
                                   lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:11:31
                                        I'll take that as a lay down. - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:14:59
                                             He's an idiot - pickle MU - 8/15 11:25:03
                                   that sums it up (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:08:30
                    it's his stock in trade - FootballRefugee MU - 8/15 10:57:58
                         talk about a stock in trade post, good grief, FR (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:59:25
                              oh, look, it's Charlie Gordon again - FootballRefugee MU - 8/15 12:03:55
                    It's nothing of the sort - pickle MU - 8/15 10:56:46
                         do you think the Japanese held the same standing - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:04:19
                              As 90Tiger correctly points out below, morality is an - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:17:04
                                   life must be such a joy being so simple(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:22:31
                                        simple is not thinking, rags. You're doing a fine job - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:27:43
                                        Says the guy operating on a "good vs. evil" dichotomy (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/15 11:24:26
                              countries don't have "moral standings", start there. People - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:07:01
                              What? Stay on topic here (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:05:32
                                   answer the question boy - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/15 11:10:33
                                        No. You're trying to change the subject (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:24:00
                    his OP is spot-on. what's moral relativism have to do - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:55:55
     1 more reason to hate Walmart - downtown Bentonville - tigerinhogtown STL - 8/15 10:38:09
     There is no reason to have monuments to traitors. - limenats MU - 8/15 10:18:14
          Whoe's we? - justwinbaby KC - 8/15 11:34:07
          RE: There is no reason to have monuments to traitors. - MOCO SON MU - 8/15 10:47:49
          spot on^^^^^^ - diaclone ISU - 8/15 10:39:09
               RE: spot on^^^^^^ - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:45:27
          Should CalExit supporters be hanged?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 8/15 10:38:12
               After the texans, of course(nm) - tigerdb MU - 8/15 11:27:14
          They weren't traitors - pickle MU - 8/15 10:23:12
          You're embarrassing yourself (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:21:15
          Yeah, this post would be a good example of what I was - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:20:33
               Watch and learn - limenats MU - 8/15 10:21:48
                    I don't support keeping the confederate statues, fyi. - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:23:53
                    maybe read the OP again - SwampTiger MU - 8/15 10:23:45
                         I don't equate momuments to those who fought for slavery - limenats MU - 8/15 10:32:28
                              good grief, is there anything about history you know? - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:47:05
                              Slavery wasn't why the war was fought - pickle MU - 8/15 10:39:37
                              Nobody was fighting for or against slavery. That is a - ummmm MU - 8/15 10:35:37
                    Why have monuments to slave owners?(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:23:39
                         Why have monuments to men? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 10:28:34
                              Why not if people want to? They Can do as they choose(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:33:23
                                   I'm asking you - pickle MU - 8/15 10:43:08
                                        I wouldn't have them. But to each their own - tman KC - 8/15 10:45:16
                                             I answer them constantly - pickle MU - 8/15 10:57:33
                                   Can I choose whether or not to pay for Mt. Rushmore? (nm) - Evenflow MU - 8/15 10:34:50
                                        Sure if you want too. Just don't pay taxes - tman KC - 8/15 10:42:29
                                             for a smart guy, you sure use this bailout, lame POS - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:46:28
                                                  I don't diagree. There are many privately funded memorials - tman KC - 8/15 10:50:42
                                             Just don't pay taxes. - Evenflow MU - 8/15 10:43:54
                                                  Well it was a dumb hypothetical - tman KC - 8/15 10:48:14
                                                       What hypothetical? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:01:45
                                                            Him paying for Mt Rushmore.(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 11:07:43
                                                                 There was no hypothetical (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:26:08
                                                                 who paid for it? by "him" he means "the taxpayer". didn't - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:09:51
                                                                      Again the thread is not about - tman KC - 8/15 11:18:06
                                                                           You offer nothing (nm) - pickle MU - 8/15 11:26:48
                                                                                Then we match(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 11:48:19
                                                                                     I suggest you pay better attention - pickle MU - 8/15 13:18:12
                         Were they erected BECAUSE they were slave owners? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:25:48
                              Doesn't matter. They are offensive - tman KC - 8/15 10:30:10
                                   Right, they fought to keep slavery. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:31:08
                                        false - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:47:34
                                             Without slavery, the Civil War never happens. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:50:20
                                                  without humans, the civil are never happens - next - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:57:16
                              no statue being discussed on this board fits that - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:28:16
                                   Thank you for making my point! (nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:29:26
                                        you don't have a point. the KKK has a right to assembly - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:31:05
                                             My point is no one objects to monuments - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:33:24
                                                  No I am not. There should not be statutes to people - tman KC - 8/15 10:38:47
                                                       What a childish view of humanity. - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:49:22
                                                            No they arent, and the North didn't go to war - tman KC - 8/15 10:53:35
                                                                 The fundamental root cause of the Civil War was slavery.(nm) - tigerspy MU - 8/15 10:54:37
                                                                      false - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:58:36
                                                                      Why did the North to war?(nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:57:46
                                                                           To prevent Southern states from breaking away. - tigerspy MU - 8/15 11:10:09
                                                                                Lincoln initiated the war. Secession wasn't war. The - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:13:33
                                                                                     The first shots were fired by the South. - tigerspy MU - 8/15 11:15:49
                                                                                          lol, oh, ok. well that settles that. Good grief, spy, - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 11:30:00
                                                       who decides what is despicable and when? today's - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:45:03
                                                            Bingo. (nm) - tman KC - 8/15 10:51:57
                                                  No, the point is tearing down monuments because someone - 90Tiger MU - 8/15 10:37:34




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