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It WAS however, the start of the program

Posted on: April 20, 2017 at 15:08:54 CT
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underachieving. 5th in SEC? Probably should have been better. Consecutive first game losses in NCAA tourney? Unacceptable for the level of talent. I understand there were other things going on. HCFFH suffered from some serious bad luck (injuries in B12 Championship, injuries to Bowers, Dixon, Flip being brain-dead every other night it seemed, etc). He also brought some things on himself; the mess at Miami including what he did or didn't know (as well as how it was discussed privately with Alden), the revolving door of his rosters, letting Ernie Nestor, his only true tactician, go in lieu of more primary recruiters (a point you made more than once, Fiji), and a weird run of off the court player incidents.

Keeping Haith from jumping to Tulsa (if possible) most likely would have prevented us from taking the free fall in regard to on the court success, but it is also a reach in my opinion to think that he would have the program today where we all believe it needs to be. While a different scenario, has he raised or lowered the program level in his time at Tulsa?

I think he is a fine coach and a better person than what transpired at Mizzou. He obviously was the correct person to handle the aftermath of Mike Anderson's departure. I will respect that Kim English know much more about all things Mizzou hoops that I do, and he certainly hold Haith in high regards. But I will also maintain that the program was steadily trending downward as his tenure continued.
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If you think that Haith cratered the program - tigooner MU - 4/20 10:51:07
     The downfall of the MU basketball program started in 1994. - alwaysright MU - 4/20 16:09:37
     I don't recall Norm ditching town & going elsewhere (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 4/20 13:41:39
     Nobody who knows anything about MU basketball - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:28:53
     nice fish bait (nm) - modon MU - 4/20 12:08:43
     Did Haith ever build anything? I think he's only ruined - STLTIGER MU - 4/20 11:57:31
          The all time MU program record for wins in a 3 year period - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:42:10
               RE: The all time MU program record for wins in a 3 year period - dn3524 MU - 4/21 14:31:56
               he won games but did nothing for the program, glad he left, - MU-TULSA MU - 4/20 12:58:29
                    Well and graduated players and putting players at the next - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 13:02:44
                         That's interesting. I wonder during Haith's 3 years, - Yosa125 TAMU - 4/20 13:16:10
                              The following were drafted by the NBA: - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 13:35:21
     Haith is one of the biggest frauds in D1 basketball - DollarSigns MU - 4/20 11:52:57
          One time, people were called racist for saying Haith sucked - TheNEWRemoteMan STL - 4/20 12:24:17
               He still deserves credit for year 1 - TigerUppercut MU - 4/20 12:25:26
                    So the next year - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:38:23
                         How many players on that team have played - tiger98 MU - 4/20 14:14:19
                              Mike Dixon was missing from that team, and a healthy Bowers - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 14:17:16
                                   Sure those players would have helped, but we still had - tiger98 MU - 4/20 14:25:23
                                        That team was 15th nationally in offensive efficiency - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 14:39:49
                                             I think you watch numbers more than actual - tiger98 MU - 4/20 14:46:45
                                                  No, I watch all of our games - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 14:52:17
                                                       I know you watch the games, but you trust - tiger98 MU - 4/20 15:20:26
                         RE: So the next year - stl0404 MU - 4/20 12:40:52
                              Agreed. Because their senior preseason all american - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:43:14
                    That Norfolk State loss started a chain reaction - TheNEWRemoteMan STL - 4/20 12:36:09
                         It was not downhill from that point - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:40:39
                              It WAS however, the start of the program - kietzmanh8r MU - 4/20 15:08:54
                                   Tulsa has trended downward ever since he arrived too. - tiger98 MU - 4/20 15:39:27
                              What were we when it ended(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/20 12:49:52
                                   5th in the SEC, NCAA tourney at large bid (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:54:10
                                        One got the feeling it was trending downwards - TigerUppercut MU - 4/20 13:22:20
                                             So the last season which is being used as an example - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 13:38:22
                                                  If Frank stays, we're bottom 3 or 4 in the SEC the next year - TigerUppercut MU - 4/20 13:58:02
                                                       Everyone knew that team was going to be horrible. - tiger98 MU - 4/20 15:42:29
                         I don't think that game exposed him as a fraud - TigerUppercut MU - 4/20 12:37:15
     Stop responding to Rag and Supreme is step 1 - kcnorthside KC - 4/20 11:51:15
          RE: Stop responding to Rag and Supreme is step 1 - tigooner MU - 4/20 11:53:32
               That wasn't necessarily aimed at you specifically. - kcnorthside KC - 4/20 11:55:33
                    the old shotgun approach(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/20 11:56:46
                         Tried and true(nm) - kcnorthside KC - 4/20 11:57:47
     How impactful do you think it is to have - Supreme Tiger - 4/20 11:24:56
          Haith did MU no favors, but KA didnt do much better, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 4/20 11:48:12
               Haith left a .500 program behind. Kim turned it into a - StaleyTiger MU - 4/20 11:49:09
                    here u are to talk about KA again LMAO(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/20 11:53:07
          RE: How impactful do you think it is to have - tigooner MU - 4/20 11:30:14
          i think that impact is worth about 8 wins. - phrejd MU - 4/20 11:29:44
               People like you are why we had an - Supreme Tiger - 4/20 11:32:57
                    actually, no. i can see that there were options outside of - phrejd MU - 4/20 11:37:08
                    RE: People like you are why we had an - tigooner MU - 4/20 11:34:12
          So you think none of the players that signed with Haith - tgr MU - 4/20 11:27:45
               When you make a habit of bringing in people who - Supreme Tiger - 4/20 11:31:10
                    the only thing close to a clean slate we have now is - phrejd MU - 4/20 11:40:35
                    Freshman to Senior? Like Porter and Knox? - TigerMook MU - 4/20 11:39:28
     It required a restart after he left. Chaos in many many area - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:23:53
          Quin Snyder left a program full of players with bad attitude - tgr MU - 4/20 11:30:57
               Not even close to the same situation (nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:35:28
                    How so? What was so different that caused Kim to only be - tgr MU - 4/20 11:37:35
                         Mike Anderson was an actual D1 coach was main difference(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:33:45
                         existing players, recruits in hand, family connections, - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:41:17
                              Kim Anderson inherited J3 who started on a final four - tgr MU - 4/20 11:43:52
                                   J3 lol(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:44:54
                                        Yeah. He only averaged double digit on a national - tgr MU - 4/20 11:46:08
                                             don't need cowards like Haith recruited, needed warriors(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 12:22:42
                                                  Give me Alexander the Great's best warriors - TigerUppercut MU - 4/20 12:27:00
          that's like going to a doctor with a cold and him saying - phrejd MU - 4/20 11:28:32
               Or you are deathly ill and we can give you a shot that will - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:34:40
                    kim anderson was a bullet to the temple for this program. - phrejd MU - 4/20 11:42:32
                         Wouldn't want to use that thing between the ears would you(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:44:31
                              lol. keep fighting the good fight. maybe someday kim will - phrejd MU - 4/20 11:47:47
                                   He will always have the national championship title no matte - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 12:23:48
          You get it. 99% of people here don't. - Supreme Tiger - 4/20 11:26:10
     At this point anyone who claims Haith cratered the program - tgr MU - 4/20 11:06:15
          Haith didn't leave APR issues behind, that is a myth(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 12:30:57
     It is settled science that Haith cratered the program - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/20 10:56:03
          RE: It is settled science that Haith cratered the program - tigooner MU - 4/20 11:07:19
               He is a national championship winning coach, his - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/20 11:20:31
                    RE: He is a national championship winning coach, his - tigooner MU - 4/20 11:22:10
                         you clearly do not understand coaching(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:25:48
                              Do you think Kim Anderson is a good D1 coach? - tgr MU - 4/20 11:28:56
                                   Coach sure, recruiter certainly not especially given he had - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:37:26
                                        Haith didn't force him to recruit kids - TigerUppercut MU - 4/20 12:24:29
          Your posts devalue our degrees - Servo MU - 4/20 11:07:10
               If you hang your degree on a basketball poster you are a sad - TigerFan92 MU - 4/20 11:27:30
          You know nothing about basketball or science. - 1500University MU - 4/20 11:05:33
               He knows about fishing - hou4mu MU - 4/20 11:10:43
                    If we ignored everything, then there really is no reason to - 1500University MU - 4/20 11:20:39




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