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The Constitution: Art I, Sec. 9, Clause 1. Class in session

Posted on: April 17, 2017 at 09:13:15 CT
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The Constitution is a dead document. That means that it the words and phrases are to be read as they were understood to mean when the document was written and ratified, and not by contemporary meanings (that would make it a living document, subject to change daily).

Also, the Constitution contains very specific and limited powers granted to the federal government by the states. If a matter is not in the Constitution, then the fed gvmt has no constitutional authority over that matter.

For example, immigration. Immigration is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Therefore the federal gvmt has no constitutional authority to control, restrict, prohibit, or legislate immigration matters.

Some have said that Article I Section 9 clause 1 applies. It doesn't. Let's take a look:

"The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."

This clause is solely about the slave trade, and it was debated at the conventions. We only have to look to the historical record to see what the intent and meaning of this clause is. The Constitution is, after all, a dead document.

"But the inclusion of the term “migration” was not meant to imply a general federal power to restrict migration, but was a euphemism intended to bolster the pretense that the Constitution did not endorse slavery. As John Jay – the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and coauthor of the Federalist Papers – pointed out in an 1819 letter discussing the Clause:

It will, I presume, be admitted that slaves were the persons intended. The word slaves was avoided, probably on account of the existing toleration of slavery and of its discordance with the principles of the Revolution, and from a consciousness of its being repugnant to the following positions in the Declaration of Independence, viz.: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.’”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/04/19/why-the-migration-or-importation-clause-of-the-constitution-does-not-imply-any-general-federal-power-to-limit-immigration/?utm_term=.cb1e9bc0d18d


http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/a1_9_1.html

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/a1_9_1s15.html

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_9_1s15.html
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     The Immigration Act of 1924 was a great law..... - MUTGR MU - 4/17 10:43:40
          It's unconstitutional, and therefore not law (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 10:51:57
               RE: It's unconstitutional, and therefore not law (nm) - MUTGR MU - 4/17 10:53:52
                    It was never the law of the land - pickle MU - 4/17 10:56:12
                         RE: It was never the law of the land - MUTGR MU - 4/17 11:24:42
     this isn't class. this is OCD and copy/paste. There isn't - 90Tiger MU - 4/17 09:31:00
          I destroyed his premise below.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 09:35:22
               No. You didn't destroy anything, GAT (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 09:41:35
                    Yes, he did.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 4/17 09:52:00
     Are you a law professor? - Silas MU - 4/17 09:24:20
          Appeal to... (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 09:29:39
               credibility? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/17 09:31:26
     Oh now you are a constitutional lawyer(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 4/17 09:12:51
          ....authority. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 09:29:48
               If a person claims to have insight into a scientific - 90Tiger MU - 4/17 09:32:12
                    That's not what happened here. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 09:33:48
                         Sure it is (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/17 10:01:34
                              Also, it is not science. - ummmm MU - 4/17 10:09:01
                              No, they didn't question his knowledge on the topic. - ummmm MU - 4/17 10:04:41
                              That's not what happened here. - pickle MU - 4/17 10:04:21
     How does someone become a naturalized citizen - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/17 09:09:48
          It is in the Constitution - pickle MU - 4/17 09:15:42
               what stops that rule from including how they actually get - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/17 09:17:25
                    Because it's not a constitutional federal power - pickle MU - 4/17 09:20:47
                         didn't say it was, simply said immigration is a required 1st - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/17 09:22:44
                              No it isn't, and you didn't say that at all - pickle MU - 4/17 09:26:21
                                   unless congress sets a rule that says they must - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/17 09:30:12
                                        Huh? - pickle MU - 4/17 09:30:49
                                             if the rule congress makes regarding naturalization - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/17 09:36:07
                                                  Sure, that language is fine. - pickle MU - 4/17 09:40:24
                                                       btw, since you can't have you cake and eat it too - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/17 09:46:09
                                                            Huh? (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 09:47:03
     Article I, Section 9, Clause 1 - Spanky KU - 4/17 09:05:01
          The Constitution: Art I, Sec. 9, Clause 1. Class in session - pickle MU - 4/17 09:13:15
               What does it SAY??? - Spanky KU - 4/17 09:34:39
                    It doesn't say that at all (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 09:45:29
                         It certainly does. - Spanky KU - 4/17 09:48:53
                              I already did - pickle MU - 4/17 10:03:15
                                   There is NO LIMIT on the class of people to - Spanky KU - 4/17 10:18:17
                                        You didn't read my post - pickle MU - 4/17 10:24:50
                                             You post was ignorant. That is not how legal documents work - Spanky KU - 4/17 10:31:12
                                                  Contracts/compacts are all about breathing life into - ummmm MU - 4/17 10:33:25
                                                       Not really.. They are about clear language - Spanky KU - 4/17 10:37:32
                                                            Are you a contract law professor???????? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 10:39:52
                                                                 No.. I deal with writing and enforcing contracts - Spanky KU - 4/17 11:28:46
                                                                      That's scary. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:26:09
                                                                           It would be if you were negotiating against me - Spanky KU - 4/17 14:38:48
                                                            It is about plain meaning, but when there is an ambiguity - ummmm MU - 4/17 10:39:26
                                                                 Agreed. The ambiguity portion is thrown out when one section - Spanky KU - 4/17 11:33:15
                                                                      All nice sounding contract principles. - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:25:37
     I'm going to make a donation to the US Autism & Asperger - Emoji Man MSU - 4/17 08:56:26
          RE: I'm going to make a donation to the US Autism & Asperger - Tigrrrr! MU - 4/17 09:02:38
               Hmmm. Very interesting. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/17 09:05:40
     You're saying that anything not mentioned - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 08:55:14
          No, that's not what I said - pickle MU - 4/17 09:02:29
               If an issue not in the constitution cannot be - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 09:34:12
                    if it is called out in the constitution - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 10:09:57
                    "cannot be discussed or decided" - pickle MU - 4/17 09:41:09
               Maybe a nice roller coaster ride would cheer you up. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/17 09:06:46
     Wrong board(nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 4/17 08:47:10
          Not really. But apparently he didn't think enough people - MIZ45 MU - 4/17 08:48:11




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