Welcome Guest
Sign In | Register

If you CLAIM it....

Posted on: January 5, 2017 at 12:42:19 CT
Spanky KU
Posts:
142203
Member For:
20.35 yrs
Level:
User
M.O.B. Votes:
1
Let's do this scenario:

This is a fact: Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother.

Question: Is he a US citizen? Did the US government reach out to Canada and force that citizenship on him?

Let's now do a hypothetical:
Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother and they placed him up for adoption at birth. He was adopted by a Canadian family and neither he nor his adopted family knew the identity of his mother.

Question: Is he a US citizen? Did the US government reach out to Canada and force that citizenship on him? HOw does anyone know?

A further hypothetical:
Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother and they placed him up for adoption at birth. He was adopted by a Canadian family and neither he nor his adopted family knew the identity of his mother.

Later in life, he conducts a search and discovers the identity of his birth mother and realizes he is also US citizen.

Question: Does he have to do anything or can he just stroll into the country and have his citizenship without question?
Report Message

Please explain why this message is being reported.

REPLY

Handle:
Password:
Subject:

MESSAGE THREAD

Parents naming you is theft of your identity! - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:37:28
     Why are you so intent on making taxation appear voluntary?(nm) - ummmm MU - 1/5 11:58:07
          Because everything else would unravel if he doesn't (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:05:42
     Poor Samuel Clemens. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/5 11:50:19
     having a name doesn't subject you to laws and the penalties - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:46:55
          The state does not make you a citizen at birth. - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:52:27
               Correct; the State CLAIMS you are a citizen at birth - pickle MU - 1/5 12:07:14
               no, the state makes you a citizen and requires, by law - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:54:19
                    The State doesn't make you a citizen (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:07:49
                         In their machinations it surely does. I'm not speaking - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 12:22:25
                              Nope.. it GRANTS you citizenship without going through - Spanky KU - 1/5 14:52:39
                    You are incorrect. - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:59:43
                         So if my parents hide me, don't go through the state's paper - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 12:02:11
                              You have to PROVE you were born in the US or - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:10:45
                                   Prove that the claim of citizenship is legitimate - pickle MU - 1/5 12:15:36
                                        The state doesn't claim it.. YOU do (or your parents do) - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:21:17
                                             No, Spanky. You have it backwards (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:23:24
                                                  You need to PROVE you meet the requirements for citizenship - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:30:31
                                                       "requirements for citizenship" - pickle MU - 1/5 12:41:26
                                                            No.. 'Requirements for citizenship' means you are ELIGIBLE - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:56:35
                                                                 You misunderstand - pickle MU - 1/5 13:03:06
                                                                      I am not the one who misunderstands, dipstick - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:12:04
                                                                           We've been over this, Spanky (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 13:20:12
                                                                                Yes.. and you still don't get it. Citizenship is a right - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:25:04
                                                  Well, if he doesn't have it backwards, and it is up to you - ummmm MU - 1/5 12:24:35
                                                       I know I'm not (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:27:04
                                                            Did you or your parents apply for and receive a SSN? - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:32:10
                                                            Well, there goes that angle by Spanky (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/5 12:27:41
                                                                 Nope... His parents (or he) claimed US citizenship at some - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:34:12
                                                                      Except that you just said it was his choice to make that - ummmm MU - 1/5 12:47:20
                                                                           No! Your contention is it was FORCED upon him at birth. - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:50:19
                                                                                So you're agreeing with us - pickle MU - 1/5 13:00:15
                                                                                     The state does not force citizenship.. You claim your - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:01:24
                                                                      I can't renounce something that doesn't exist - pickle MU - 1/5 12:42:33
                                                                           It does apply to you. You claimed your citizenship by: - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:59:30
     Being born robs Planned Parenthood of their mission (nm) - Fourth and Long MU - 1/5 11:45:07
     You are free to change your name if you do not like it - TigerMatt MU - 1/5 11:43:16
          Not for free.... Your legal name is what your parents gave - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:44:17
               you do not have a right to exist. your mother is the only - SuperTone MU - 1/5 11:46:02
               free as in "without threat of punishment nor penalty" - - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:45:46
                    You are free to change your residence without 'threat of - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:48:30
                         other than moving away from the land of your birth??? oh - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:50:44
                              No.. that's a CHOICE, Tigs.... that's a choice. - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:54:47
                                   And someone has a choice to hand a mugger his wallet or not - pickle MU - 1/5 12:04:04
                                        It does not occur under coersion It occurs under - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:20:37
                                             None of that is taxation (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:24:53
                                                  Where did I say it was.... - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:13:21
                                   that's like saying you are free to choose to murder - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:58:09
                                        Isn't murder a voluntary act? - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:30:40
                                   no spanky, it's required if I renounce, under penalty of law - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:55:54
                                        No... If you never claim your citizenship, you have nothing - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:11:48
                                             Constitution says you are a citizen at birth. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/5 12:29:46
                                                  A third hypothetical - Spanky KU - 1/5 13:10:43
                                                  Another hypothetical: - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:48:55
                                                  If you CLAIM it.... - Spanky KU - 1/5 12:42:19
     I'm guessing you're making a feeble attempt at equating - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:41:20
          'Their' kids??? They own them? For how long? - Spanky KU - 1/5 11:46:51
               Straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:05:08
               in your mind, probably the government (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 11:51:11




©2024 Fanboards L.L.C. — Our Privacy Policy   About Tigerboard