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I voted for Bernie. I'm not an HRC fan. Quit

Posted on: November 28, 2016 at 21:58:12 CT

SparkyStalcup MU

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deflecting.

Now that we have that irrelevant crap out of the way:

The belief that Obama is a socialist (he isn't) or that Bernie is a Communist (he isn't) is very common on this board.

Anyone talks about socialism on this board, it's North Korea this or Venezuela this. Both of those are totalitarian regimes. Socialism is characterized by democratic control of the means of production. Venezuela and North Korea are anything BUT democratic.

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What is funny is 30 plus percent of libs actually support - tman KC - 11/28 21:15:22

You know what the leftist 20 percenters always say... - MU Dylan MU - 11/28 23:12:29

What communist are we talking about? And socialists - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 21:23:01

I laugh at your absurd claim in the second sentence. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/28 22:41:50

You mean the media wet themselves. Of course you - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:59:31

Falsely? No, it's been proven the media is in bed w/ Dems. (nm) - Cubicle Clown USA - 11/29 06:54:44

Socialists are peeps who know they cannot implement their - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 21:48:40

Tell me again how Norway is progressing toward their - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 21:52:07

Norway will never get there. Small country of 5 million, - jmlppx MU - 11/28 22:04:28

Tell me about North Korea..... - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:12:09

RE: Tell me about North Korea..... - jmlppx MU - 11/28 22:24:22

The Constituion would not have to be altered to - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:30:11

RE: The Constituion would not have to be altered to - jmlppx MU - 11/28 22:38:05

I've been to Canada, and it is nice to visit. In Summer. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:39:05

That's the deal. Gotta have a good woman up there.(nm) - jmlppx MU - 11/28 22:40:08

Amen. And good beer. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:00:00

Well, it's certainly getting better yet...ObamaCare repeal - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 22:31:39

I wouldn't call taking health care away from 22 million - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:34:28

That's a straw man - pickle MU

- 11/29 06:52:40

Single payer of course is just a stepping stone to NO PAYER - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 22:44:19

Interesting. Single payer would be far cheaper overall than - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:01:24

I'm weird, I don't get all sweaty thinking about bureaucrati - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 23:03:47

You actually bought into the corporate rhetoric. How - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:04:42

Go suck on your Georgia guidestones. Your New World Order - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 23:10:30

Oh, you fell for it bad. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:16:55

That ObamaCare trash is going to be repealed. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 23:20:53

LOL! Yep, I can't even begin to imagine what those - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 22:23:03

Call it what it is.. democratic socialism, not a social - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:17:56

Norway isnt socialist. They have not nationalized the means - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 21:58:29

Norway has a very large percentage of national control - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:02:41

So you are admitting they still havent nationalized the mean - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:08:33

That's not what I said at all, but you already know that. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:12:55

Has Norway nationalized the means of production or not? - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:18:49

Yes, to a very large degree. You'll never get 100% - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:21:18

Less than 1% of Soviet workers were in private enterprise, a - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:26:38

It is a slippery slope. Less government is less filling - jmlppx MU - 11/28 22:55:43

USSR was totalitarian, and not socialist. Maybe it was - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:30:58

Socialism isnt far from totalitarianism. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:54:50

Quite the opposite, actually. It benefits the needs of - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:02:53

Right, it strips individual liberty. The path to - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 23:06:01

Nice rhetoric, but your idea doesn't hold up in - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:16:29

Your entire problem is the crazy belief the government can - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 23:47:05

And that differs how?(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 23:03:50

All a mattress of degree but same basic belief(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 21:49:28

I believe you are talking the Sleep Number Mattress, it is - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 22:24:15

Haha. No answer, which from you is depressing - tman KC - 11/28 22:28:15

Sorry, I'm busy working on a special space transport so - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 22:39:31

Ok pickle(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 22:51:30

MMMoG, he would not give you that many words - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 22:59:34

But you are acting like him. Just be brief next time - tman KC - 11/28 23:00:46

You are debating socialism vs. communism? - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 23:06:35

Actually I am wondering why you are acting pickle esk - tman KC - 11/28 23:24:58

Honestly, you offered 'mattress of degree'. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/28 23:29:01

Really you are hung up on a spell check. You are a liberal - tman KC - 11/28 23:32:31

Maybe he is just "going to the mattresses", a tribute to - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:36:26

He would be a leader you would support - tman KC - 11/28 22:52:31

No, I'm not for totalitarians or warlords. But it was a - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 23:03:48

Ok. You would support (nm) - tman KC - 11/28 23:04:41

Yes, Marx believed communism to be the end state of - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 21:50:45

that belief isn't common on this board. You're just all pro - 90Tiger MU - 11/28 21:46:07

I voted for Bernie. I'm not an HRC fan. Quit - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 21:58:12

RE: I voted for Bernie. I'm not an HRC fan. Quit - 90Tiger MU - 11/29 09:56:39

That is democratic socialism.. a bastardized version of - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:12:14

No, North Korea and Venezuela are bastardized "versions" - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:13:35

Good god, you have no idea what socialism means. You just - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:20:54

Marx believed in communism. He thought that socialism was - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:26:32

Why don't you educate us on the difference between - tman KC - 11/28 21:31:55

I've been trying for 5+ years. I can't help you if you - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 21:59:20

Bern is an admitted socialist. Is he incorrect?(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 22:14:52

Socialist? Yes, I'll stipulate to that. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:16:07

So you don't see socialism and communism on same path?(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 22:20:14

Marx might have believed that, but no, it is not - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:32:49

Tell me where the difference is and how you stop - tman KC - 11/28 22:53:26

He refuses to acknowledge the founders of socialism believed - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 22:22:32

Who are the founders of socialsim? Hint: Marx is not the - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:35:02

European socialism is based on Marxist ideals. The - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 23:04:56

Explain the difference and how to stop one from becoming - tman KC - 11/28 22:54:27

Won't study history. Too bad(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 22:23:12

Yes, it's too bad you won't study history. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 11/28 22:35:27

Give me a true socalist country you want us to become(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 22:50:54

Modern day liberals are authoritarian. They appropriated - TigerMatt STL - 11/28 21:30:07

Yes, Obama has tended to be authoritarian for sure. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 11/28 21:45:39

Don't confuse the conservatives with facts(nm) - Danny Whizzbang USA - 11/28 21:27:04

Why don't you relate it to the US(nm) - tman KC - 11/28 21:32:41