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I care - it's why I asked the question

Posted on: September 25, 2016 at 12:56:16 CT

haeffb MU

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In the long term, results are what matters. If results don't improve, CKA will no longer be here.

In the interim, I'm interested in the reason for the results. This is one of the questions that provides insight into the why. If he truly needs better talent than every opponent to win, then he will never win here.

However, as I noted above, many have said the way CKA won at CMU was by having more talent than the opponents. But I've seen no actual evidence that verifies this theory to date. If you have some, feel free to contribute to the thread.

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Lots of people say - haeffb MU - 9/24 06:11:18

My son actually played basketball at the MIAA level and I - cefoo MU - 9/26 08:42:18

funny how his teams at UCM were well coached - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/26 16:10:50

I will take your word - haeffb MU - 9/26 16:03:15

Sure cefood. You are a reliable source - Mr. Orange SU - 9/26 16:02:17

I don't disagree with your point, and I'm not sure why or - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/26 08:23:38

I would hope we would have one - Rabbit Test MU - 9/26 08:27:39

I guess that's possible, but I'm hoping that our new coach - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/26 08:30:30

Nope - Rabbit Test MU - 9/26 08:36:06

Maybe not, but let me hope. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/26 08:41:13

If I am not allowed to use all the resources at my disposal - Rabbit Test MU - 9/26 09:19:05

That's the way it should be worded, yes.(nm) - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/26 09:50:12

9 PHUCKING WINS NM - Butman KC - 9/26 07:45:04

RE: 9 PHUCKING WINS - Rabbit Test MU - 9/26 07:58:27

that was the game if he was any sort of coach - Butman KC - 9/26 08:06:28

He didn't have to do anything too great. But instead of - StaleyTiger MU - 9/26 08:17:27

"Mizzou fan base" is where you went wrong(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 9/25 13:32:12

^^^ KA over program, ensuring there won't be a fan base ^^ (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/26 10:17:47

Who cares? I just know what his MU teams have done. Isn't - 90Tiger MU - 9/25 12:25:36

Teetee be nice(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 9/26 10:08:14

I care - it's why I asked the question - haeffb MU - 9/25 12:56:16

His UCM teams were always very prepared - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/25 16:50:53

" that is what opposing coaches and UCM fans have always - Rabbit Test MU - 9/26 08:14:04

those results have zero bearing on MU. Just find out - 90Tiger MU - 9/25 16:46:46

Saw rambling. Didn't see a question. - DollarSigns MU - 9/25 13:52:13

I for one, don't give a rat's azz about D-2 basketball. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 9/25 12:59:56

"accepted fact" you say... - tigerdb MU - 9/24 23:25:02

KA proved himself to be a good DII coach - DollarSigns MU - 9/24 21:15:15

they've always been good, but even better when KA was - Jeff85 MU - 9/24 21:08:25

They were bad when KA was hired - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 21:12:18

they had won a title before and had several very good - Jeff85 MU - 9/24 21:15:01

Sunvold had a good run - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 21:18:01

historically good coaches - Jeff85 MU - 9/24 21:21:11

It is basic team chemistry ignorance when people say talent - BurgTiger MU - 9/24 14:31:41

The problem with the toxic culture was partially brought - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 16:54:11

Get lost(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 9/24 18:54:56

He salvaged those recruits, for the most part. Haith - Diamond Dave MU

- 9/24 16:57:23

yes, that's correct - o'lineydisciple MU - 9/25 11:54:34

Allen, Isabel, Payne,were all total busts - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 17:35:24

I would have brought in some Missouri farm boys too, but KA - Uncle John MU

- 9/24 18:57:07

Wrights efficiency both years was bad - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 17:38:53

Kind of what happens when Mizzou hired a guy that - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 17:07:54

KA had a knack for convincing borderline D1 kids to drop - HissingPrigs77 MU - 9/24 14:31:33

KA still has the knack of recruiting borderline D1 kids.(nm) - 68-69ron MU - 9/24 18:20:28

Who's the borderline D1 player? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 19:03:15

having only several D1 offers actually means you're - 90Tiger MU - 9/25 12:27:32

Geist, CVL and Phillips are the only players - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/25 12:40:49

Dillon Deck went to Jewell. Not a drop down. - Diamond Dave MU

- 9/24 16:53:33

Explains why he's still doing that. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 9/24 16:38:36

I keep hearing how - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 14:07:49

You can count the players - haeffb MU - 9/24 17:41:26

At least they aren't raping kids like at Indiana. (nm) - Uncle John MU

- 9/24 14:27:01

Oh yeah good call - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 16:42:52

The logic facility at your school never opened its doors - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 14:25:25

Only 2 of those transfers had a season at Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 14:14:23

in most cases, coaches aren't getting hired into major cbb - tigerdb MU - 9/24 15:21:38

There was no talent. J3 had potential but thats it - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 15:57:23

Potential - that's kind - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 16:55:04

Again... - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 17:32:41

The talent under performed - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 15:50:56

The first year the "talent" started the year without having - tigersfan MU - 9/24 17:09:32

Both happened coach learning on the job - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 17:18:47

Not really unexpected to have younger players struggle - tigersfan MU - 9/24 17:40:39

He has rebuilt a team - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 17:46:52

I don't buy the fact that - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 14:17:02

Im not sure you can read this, but here goes... - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 14:26:37

Build around yes, ready to win no - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 14:23:05

Agree with this - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 9/24 16:44:16

RE: Lots of people say - Ragarm MU - 9/24 11:20:52

They were senior-led and had a former P5 player on the - StaleyTiger MU - 9/24 09:18:26

What is your basis for - haeffb MU - 9/24 13:24:20

It's a composite idea from looking at their roster, what - StaleyTiger MU - 9/24 15:57:41

So you made it up. Thanks. (nm) - haeffb MU - 9/24 17:26:31

No. I listed their top 3 players and what their accolades - StaleyTiger MU - 9/24 19:37:51

You said as good or better than the competition - haeffb MU - 9/24 20:15:26

Top level D2 teams are better than a bunch of lower tier - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 19:42:08

He had more talented teams - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 16:44:07

The P5 transfer Robinson averaged - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 13:49:38

He wasn't some great P5 player transferring. But a P5 player - StaleyTiger MU - 9/24 16:00:21

Yea, kind of like Payne dropping down - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 16:42:43

Epps was the only FR/SO who played any meaningful - Diamond Dave MU

- 9/24 10:41:27

CMSU beat Metro State which had a former D1 (BYU) player(nm) - kctgrs MU - 9/24 10:12:09

I'm sure they beat a few former D1 players. - StaleyTiger MU - 9/24 16:04:31

talent is funny to look at - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 17:50:30

So this means he was a good recruiter then? - Moball2play SWT - 9/24 09:59:38

Look at the NC roster. Pretty much all the guys that - Diamond Dave MU

- 9/24 10:43:25

That's recruiting in D2.. - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 11:09:00

That's recruiting, Mizzou has had a lot of very good - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 11:02:10

Of course, but at D1 you cant rely solely on transfers.. - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 11:10:03

Solely no, but there are plenty of top 25 level - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/24 11:48:54

Every year? Ok einstein - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 09:22:13

What are your thoughts on Steve Hesser? - tigerdb MU - 9/24 07:45:54

No, I am not. I didn't make the claim - haeffb MU - 9/24 08:10:56

UCM and Kim were the only D2 school with D1 transfers! - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 06:53:40

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