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You're still begging the question

Posted on: September 22, 2016 at 13:20:55 CT
pickle MU
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If I can't give you a right (or authority) to kill someone, then a group of people can't give you that right (or authority) either. Does it magically happen if I get ten people together and we vote on it?

You are right: I can't give you that right. A group of people can't give you that right. Putting it on a piece of paper and calling it government doesn't change this fact.
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Where does the State get its rights from and how? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:19:31
     the consent of the governed. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:22:26
     From it's guns that are bigger than the other guy's. - Rabbit Test MU - 9/22 12:17:54
     Kind of an odd question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:37:08
          It's not really odd at all - pickle MU - 9/22 11:45:35
               It is an odd question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:50:52
                    Well I'm sure you've heard the term state's rights - pickle MU - 9/22 11:54:12
                         The state can indeed grant authority to kill - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:55:30
                              For the second time, I didn't ask if the State - pickle MU - 9/22 12:01:45
                                   For at least the 3rd time I'll ask you... - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:14:29
                                   Not on a legal or moral basis - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:07:29
                                        Ok - pickle MU - 9/22 12:11:06
                                             It depends - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:23:11
                                                  You're begging the question now - pickle MU - 9/22 12:31:56
                                                       What you fail to understand because you don't like it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:45:59
                                                            You're completely avoiding my question - pickle MU - 9/22 12:51:35
                                                                 It isn't hard - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:58:49
                                                                      You're still begging the question - pickle MU - 9/22 13:20:55
                                                                           Yes, in our system a group of people is specifically - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 13:51:14
                                                                                You're not getting it. You keep begging the question - pickle MU - 9/22 14:22:34
                                                                                     Our system is set up where such authority is granted from - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 14:49:28
                                                                                          The topic has nothing to do with a system of gvmt - pickle MU - 9/22 15:01:00
                                                                                               You asked in the OP where the state gets its rights - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 15:10:44
                                                                                                    Obviously you are not going to answer the question - pickle MU - 9/22 15:37:51
                                                                                                         that's not begging the question and how is your poor - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:41:08
                                                                                               from nature and nature's god. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:04:08
                                                                           your logic is horrible. you should really read Locke. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:28:31
                                             You claim that people can give such rights to a Homeowners - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:16:17
                                                  It's voluntary to join a HA association. It isn't voluntary - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 12:34:57
                                                       Kids inheriting a home never consented to being ruled by - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:39:16
                                                            Jeff, the kids inheriting a home would be required to sign - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 13:02:32
                                                                 and 'the state' requiring you to sign a form stating that - JeffB MU - 9/22 13:04:25
                                                                      the state doesn't require that I sign any form to make me - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 14:54:12
                                                                           You attest to your citizenship on a number of different - JeffB MU - 9/22 15:33:27
                                                                           to get a driver's license, passport, voter id they do. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:01:22
                                                                      it's not. 90 and pickle will never understand this. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:24:36
          you're better off saying the rights are inalienable - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:38:45
               Just agreeing with our founders - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:39:37
                    set what up?(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:42:29
                         Our representative republic - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:51:25
     are you a sovereign citizen? - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:36:58
          No (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:43:14
               too much conformity for your comfort?(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:45:53
                    I'm not a citizen - pickle MU - 9/22 11:47:00
                         So you are admitting that you are a liar then, eh? - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:11:01
                         Did you ever swear under penalty of perjury that you were - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:10:47
                              We've been over this in detail before - pickle MU - 9/22 12:16:50
                                   I am not saying you would be guilty of perjury - Spanky KU - 9/22 14:01:06
                                        The claim is invalid because it is illegitimate - pickle MU - 9/22 14:56:13
                                             Have you returned your Passport and Social Security Number? - Spanky KU - 9/22 16:15:41
                                             then why did you affirm you were one? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:01:47
                                   You also don't have the authority to say whether you - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 12:37:51
                                        You don't have the authority to claim you are a citizen, but - JeffB MU - 9/22 13:02:36
                                             Jeff, it's really very easy. I can, at my own decision, eit - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 13:09:26
                                                  and you can, by your own decision, claim or deny your - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:30:33
                                                  The analogy between an HOA and a government is a valid one.. - JeffB MU - 9/22 13:16:39
                                                       of course it is. they just throw the word "voluntary" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:31:56
                                        Well, that's a little awkward - pickle MU - 9/22 12:42:54
                         I'm good - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:48:46
                              I'm happy to hear that - pickle MU - 9/22 11:54:46
     The state gets authority from the people. - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:22:39
          You'd be better off arguing existentialism with your dog - mu7176grad MU - 9/22 11:30:28
               Yep (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/22 11:32:04
          Can I give you the right to kill someone? - pickle MU - 9/22 11:27:51
               rights cannot be transferred or destroyed. you should know - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:39:10
               Yes, if he is Bill and Hillary Clinton (nm) - Salty Dog MU - 9/22 11:30:49
               Really? Think abortion and capital punishment before you - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:30:44
                    Just answer the question, please - pickle MU - 9/22 11:42:54
                         As soon as you answer the question posed to you below, eh? - JeffB MU - 9/22 11:58:54
                         Can the people give government the AUTHORITY to kill? - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:47:12
                              No, my question is here - pickle MU - 9/22 11:56:06
                                   and my question is here: - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:05:19
                                        pickle is a hare-brain... He can't think his way out of a - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:34:49
                                             Geniuses wouldn't hide from questions like pickle does, tho(nm) - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:46:34
                                                  ever been around a pimple-faced fat kid who thinks he is - Spanky KU - 9/22 13:50:47
                                   In the question: - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:01:06
                                        This is a new low for you, Spanky - pickle MU - 9/22 12:03:46
                                             No. Can you grant me the authority to kill someone? - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:05:25
                                                  Yes, I would like an example - pickle MU - 9/22 12:20:07
                                                       Your wife was in an accident and is in critical condition - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:40:21
                                                            Those examples don't work - pickle MU - 9/22 12:55:50
                                                                 What agreement between the husband and wife? - Spanky KU - 9/22 13:01:19
                              No, they can't give govt that authority - though govt certai - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 11:49:30
                                   appeal to omniscience fallacy. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:35:25
                                   You would be incorrect - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:59:23
                    Do you think either should be powers govt has, - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 11:34:30
                         Governments have power, not rights. - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:37:34
                              So when pickle tells you govts don't have rights and you - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 11:48:05
                                   Pickle is not correct philosophically nor in reality. - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:03:31
               I'll take "Childish Oversimplification" for $400, Alex. - FootballRefugee MU - 9/22 11:30:19
     Where do any humans get rights, apart from God? - JeffB MU - 9/22 11:21:04
     Wrong board (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/22 11:20:20




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