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So when pickle tells you govts don't have rights and you

Posted on: September 22, 2016 at 11:48:05 CT
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mock him, you're being childish.

Note: Using "Powers" here is a poor attempt at assigning them rights.

Pickle's position is that government isn't legitimately derived from consent of the governed, Spanky, and he's correct philosophically.

Practically, most people are like you and have simply long-ago forgotten that govt in actuality exists on the BELIEF of power, not real power.


And no, if one believes govt is legit, one should state that govt's sole role is to protect the rights of its citizens. Nothing more, nothing less. That's it.

Protect your rights from other citizens and from those outside.
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Where does the State get its rights from and how? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:19:31
     the consent of the governed. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:22:26
     From it's guns that are bigger than the other guy's. - Rabbit Test MU - 9/22 12:17:54
     Kind of an odd question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:37:08
          It's not really odd at all - pickle MU - 9/22 11:45:35
               It is an odd question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:50:52
                    Well I'm sure you've heard the term state's rights - pickle MU - 9/22 11:54:12
                         The state can indeed grant authority to kill - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:55:30
                              For the second time, I didn't ask if the State - pickle MU - 9/22 12:01:45
                                   For at least the 3rd time I'll ask you... - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:14:29
                                   Not on a legal or moral basis - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:07:29
                                        Ok - pickle MU - 9/22 12:11:06
                                             It depends - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:23:11
                                                  You're begging the question now - pickle MU - 9/22 12:31:56
                                                       What you fail to understand because you don't like it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:45:59
                                                            You're completely avoiding my question - pickle MU - 9/22 12:51:35
                                                                 It isn't hard - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 12:58:49
                                                                      You're still begging the question - pickle MU - 9/22 13:20:55
                                                                           Yes, in our system a group of people is specifically - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 13:51:14
                                                                                You're not getting it. You keep begging the question - pickle MU - 9/22 14:22:34
                                                                                     Our system is set up where such authority is granted from - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 14:49:28
                                                                                          The topic has nothing to do with a system of gvmt - pickle MU - 9/22 15:01:00
                                                                                               You asked in the OP where the state gets its rights - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 15:10:44
                                                                                                    Obviously you are not going to answer the question - pickle MU - 9/22 15:37:51
                                                                                                         that's not begging the question and how is your poor - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:41:08
                                                                                               from nature and nature's god. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:04:08
                                                                           your logic is horrible. you should really read Locke. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:28:31
                                             You claim that people can give such rights to a Homeowners - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:16:17
                                                  It's voluntary to join a HA association. It isn't voluntary - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 12:34:57
                                                       Kids inheriting a home never consented to being ruled by - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:39:16
                                                            Jeff, the kids inheriting a home would be required to sign - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 13:02:32
                                                                 and 'the state' requiring you to sign a form stating that - JeffB MU - 9/22 13:04:25
                                                                      the state doesn't require that I sign any form to make me - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 14:54:12
                                                                           You attest to your citizenship on a number of different - JeffB MU - 9/22 15:33:27
                                                                           to get a driver's license, passport, voter id they do. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:01:22
                                                                      it's not. 90 and pickle will never understand this. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:24:36
          you're better off saying the rights are inalienable - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:38:45
               Just agreeing with our founders - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:39:37
                    set what up?(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:42:29
                         Our representative republic - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/22 11:51:25
     are you a sovereign citizen? - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:36:58
          No (nm) - pickle MU - 9/22 11:43:14
               too much conformity for your comfort?(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:45:53
                    I'm not a citizen - pickle MU - 9/22 11:47:00
                         So you are admitting that you are a liar then, eh? - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:11:01
                         Did you ever swear under penalty of perjury that you were - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:10:47
                              We've been over this in detail before - pickle MU - 9/22 12:16:50
                                   I am not saying you would be guilty of perjury - Spanky KU - 9/22 14:01:06
                                        The claim is invalid because it is illegitimate - pickle MU - 9/22 14:56:13
                                             Have you returned your Passport and Social Security Number? - Spanky KU - 9/22 16:15:41
                                             then why did you affirm you were one? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:01:47
                                   You also don't have the authority to say whether you - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 12:37:51
                                        You don't have the authority to claim you are a citizen, but - JeffB MU - 9/22 13:02:36
                                             Jeff, it's really very easy. I can, at my own decision, eit - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 13:09:26
                                                  and you can, by your own decision, claim or deny your - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:30:33
                                                  The analogy between an HOA and a government is a valid one.. - JeffB MU - 9/22 13:16:39
                                                       of course it is. they just throw the word "voluntary" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 13:31:56
                                        Well, that's a little awkward - pickle MU - 9/22 12:42:54
                         I'm good - Iam4Mizzou MU - 9/22 11:48:46
                              I'm happy to hear that - pickle MU - 9/22 11:54:46
     The state gets authority from the people. - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:22:39
          You'd be better off arguing existentialism with your dog - mu7176grad MU - 9/22 11:30:28
               Yep (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/22 11:32:04
          Can I give you the right to kill someone? - pickle MU - 9/22 11:27:51
               rights cannot be transferred or destroyed. you should know - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:39:10
               Yes, if he is Bill and Hillary Clinton (nm) - Salty Dog MU - 9/22 11:30:49
               Really? Think abortion and capital punishment before you - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:30:44
                    Just answer the question, please - pickle MU - 9/22 11:42:54
                         As soon as you answer the question posed to you below, eh? - JeffB MU - 9/22 11:58:54
                         Can the people give government the AUTHORITY to kill? - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:47:12
                              No, my question is here - pickle MU - 9/22 11:56:06
                                   and my question is here: - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:05:19
                                        pickle is a hare-brain... He can't think his way out of a - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:34:49
                                             Geniuses wouldn't hide from questions like pickle does, tho(nm) - JeffB MU - 9/22 12:46:34
                                                  ever been around a pimple-faced fat kid who thinks he is - Spanky KU - 9/22 13:50:47
                                   In the question: - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:01:06
                                        This is a new low for you, Spanky - pickle MU - 9/22 12:03:46
                                             No. Can you grant me the authority to kill someone? - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:05:25
                                                  Yes, I would like an example - pickle MU - 9/22 12:20:07
                                                       Your wife was in an accident and is in critical condition - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:40:21
                                                            Those examples don't work - pickle MU - 9/22 12:55:50
                                                                 What agreement between the husband and wife? - Spanky KU - 9/22 13:01:19
                              No, they can't give govt that authority - though govt certai - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 11:49:30
                                   appeal to omniscience fallacy. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/22 15:35:25
                                   You would be incorrect - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:59:23
                    Do you think either should be powers govt has, - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 11:34:30
                         Governments have power, not rights. - Spanky KU - 9/22 11:37:34
                              So when pickle tells you govts don't have rights and you - 90Tiger MU - 9/22 11:48:05
                                   Pickle is not correct philosophically nor in reality. - Spanky KU - 9/22 12:03:31
               I'll take "Childish Oversimplification" for $400, Alex. - FootballRefugee MU - 9/22 11:30:19
     Where do any humans get rights, apart from God? - JeffB MU - 9/22 11:21:04
     Wrong board (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/22 11:20:20




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