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On the other hand, it does seem like you made up your mind

Posted on: September 20, 2016 at 22:27:12 CT
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before all of the evidence is in. Or at least all of the evidence that will likely be able to be found.

It seems to me that even if the policewoman did not know about the PCP in his car at the time of the shooting, it is still a valuable piece of evidence.

She claimed that he was acting erratically per this CNN story: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/us/oklahoma-tulsa-police-shooting/index.html

It also said that she had been called to the scene via a 911 call. It sounds like it was indeed a mistake to shoot him at that point, but the issue is whether it was an honest and a reasonable mistake.

If he was on PCP and acting erratically to the point of heightening the danger the police felt at the time that could alter the equation a bit it seems to me.

911 call reported man running from vehicle

Two 911 calls brought officers to the scene about 7:30 p.m. Friday.

The first came from a woman who said an abandoned vehicle was blocking the street and a man was running away, warning that it was going to blow up.

"Somebody left their vehicle running in the middle of the street with their doors wide open," the caller said. "The doors are open, the vehicle is still running. It's an SUV. It's in the middle of the street, it's blocking traffic."

Officer Betty Shelby was the first to arrive, but she wasn't responding to the 911 call, said her attorney, Scott Wood. Shelby was en route to a domestic violence call when she encountered Crutcher, who she thought might be impaired, and then the SUV in the middle of the road, Wood said.

She asked Crutcher whether the car belonged to him but got no response, the attorney said. Crutcher began walking toward her with his hands in his pockets. She politely asked Crutcher to take his hands out of his pocket while they were speaking, Wood said.

"He does comply and puts his hands out of his pocket, and then puts his hands up in the air, which she thought was a little bit strange under the circumstances," he said.

Crutcher continued to ignore Shelby's questions about the vehicle and at one point walks toward the back of the police cruiser and puts his hands back in his pockets, the attorney said. Shelby called dispatch and was intent on arresting him because she thought he was under the influence of something, he said.

She drew her gun and ordered Crutcher to get on his knees, which he refused to do, Wood said. He instead walked toward his car.

'Very disturbing' video

Videos police released Monday show some of what happened next. The footage is "very disturbing and difficult to watch," Tulsa police Chief Chuck Jordan told reporters.
The videos show Shelby and several other officers at the scene.

Tulsa police officers also were flying above the scene in a helicopter, capturing the incident from an on-board camera. Footage from multiple police cameras show Crutcher walking toward his SUV in the middle of the road, hands raised, followed closely by Shelby and three other officers. They approach Crutcher, who continued to walk back to his car, where he appeared to move his hands toward the vehicle.

Circling above the scene, one police officer in the helicopter can be heard referring to Crutcher as a "bad dude."

Video from a police helicopter circling above shows Crutcher wit his hands up as an officer approaches him.

Jeanne MacKenzie, Tulsa police spokeswoman, said that the responding officers on the ground thought Crutcher had reached into the driver's side window of the vehicle.
Moments later, as Crutcher stands beside his vehicle, the video shows him fall to the ground
"I think he may have just been Tasered," an officer says over the radio.
"Shots fired!" a female officer says.

In the video, Crutcher lies in the middle of the street, motionless with blood on his shirt, soon to be dead.
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So have Tiggrrrr and Sal - meatiger MU - 9/20 22:05:46
     Wasn't the officer a woman? - Logan BAMA - 9/21 06:01:15
     He was black... - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 22:55:40
     Are you talking about the guy who - 615Tiger STL - 9/20 22:16:53
          Nobody move and you won't get hurt - El-ahrairah STL - 9/21 05:32:50
          Yeah. Blacks get shot walking to their car - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 22:56:37
     RE: So have Tiggrrrr and Sal - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 22:11:05
          Lmfao!!!! (nm) - pickle MU - 9/21 09:18:49
          He had no weapon and was not threatening anyone - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 22:57:41
               What difference, At this point does it make ! - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/20 23:03:39
          RE: So have Tiggrrrr and Sal - meatiger MU - 9/20 22:13:48
               On the other hand, it does seem like you made up your mind - JeffB MU - 9/20 22:27:12
                    An honest and reasonable mistake - meatiger MU - 9/20 23:21:18
                         It's unquestionably a tragedy but I think that you are happy - JeffB MU - 9/21 08:14:37
                         Unless he blew up a car. - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 23:26:00
                    The video is the most relevant evidence - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 22:58:56
                    My first interaction with the guy I had on PCP he was - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 22:41:13
                         Good thing he wasn't walking deliberately with his hands up - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 23:01:17
                              This act you put on - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 23:02:08
                                   I learned it from watching YOU! - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 23:04:16
                                        RE: I learned it from watching YOU! - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 23:06:33
                                             You see the police as infallible and beyond reproach - Mr. Orange SU - 9/20 23:17:01
                                                  apparently black men are with you(nm) - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/21 01:33:21
                                                  No, I see them doing a very tough job and no one is - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 23:22:45
                                                       And when someone is shot and killed wrongfully.. - Mr. Orange SU - 9/21 05:45:13
                                                            Let's determine wrongfully within 12 hours of the incident. - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/21 09:55:18
                         His brain must have been really racing to come up with the - JeffB MU - 9/20 22:47:50
                              When his wife showed up at Mid-Mo Mental Health - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 22:53:57
                                   Maybe the drugs helped him get in touch w his Satan within (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/21 08:16:15
               The first officer called for help and officers came to her - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 22:26:10
                    My brother had to tackle a naked guy on PCP because the - tigerNkc KC - 9/20 23:14:01
               They certainly knew - 615Tiger STL - 9/20 22:21:15
                    He is a danger to himself Bob.. Kill him! - Mr. Orange SU - 9/21 06:23:25
                         If he has a bomb in his car and threatens to blow it up - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/21 07:28:31
                    It is funny - meatiger MU - 9/20 23:24:10
                         Ever process a crime scene? - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 23:29:03
                              Didn't think so.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/21 08:30:10
                    He was saying the truck was going to blow up as - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/20 22:27:26




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