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Posted on: September 20, 2016 at 12:56:42 CT
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These are obviously very sensitive and upsetting topics. They should be addressed based upon truth and reason, however, rather than emotions and knee jerk reactions.

The most important fact to keep in mind is that the child who was conceived because of either rape or incest is an innocent victim himself or herself. Both rape and incest are crimes, but in no other crimes does society decide that it should be OK to deliberately kill an innocent victim of the crime. How twisted is it that we would never deliberately kill the perpetrators of those crimes if they were caught, but would instead kill (one of) the victims.

I would also note a couple of things. Studies done on the victims of both rape victims and victims of incest have shown that most did not choose abortion, and that the majority of those who did regretted it, often terribly. Many claimed that the abortion was like being victimized again and even worse than the rape. Virtually none regretted either keeping their child or putting him or her up for adoption. Many said that they could not believe how much they treasured their child and how the child had helped them to heal from the wounds they had suffered. Even those who gave their child up were so very happy that they had made that decision. Those who had their unborn children executed often agonized over their decision unendingly claiming that they had healed from the rape or the incestuous relationship long ago but could not forgive themselves for what they had done to their child.

Here is one person's response to advocates of abortion for the crimes of rape and incest:

Even if abortion is not justified in most situations, it is justified in cases of rape.

Rape is certainly a terrible crime. I'm sure most pro-lifers support harsh penalties for rape: long prison terms, castration, I suspect most would even support execution as an appropriate penalty. But execution of whom? The rapist? Or of his innocent child?

If someone suggested that the son of a thief should pay a fine, or that the daughter of a kidnapper should go to jail, we would surely reply that this is absolutely ridiculous. The person who committed the crime should pay the penalty.

Abortion for rape is killing an innocent child because of the crimes of her father.

What about girls who are victims of incest? How can you force such a girl to go through the ordeal of carrying such a pregnancy to term?

The solution that the pro-abortionists offer to the problem of incest is to allow the man who made this girl pregnant to take her down to the nearest abortion center for a secret abortion. They then pat her on the head and say, "See, honey, problem's all taken care of". He can then drive her home and continue the abuse, with the incriminating evidence neatly disposed of.

Let me offer an alternative solution. First, we give this man a little counseling session. When the counseling session is complete, and he has regained consciousness and gotten out of the hospital, we explain to him that if he ever touches this girl like that again, we will cut off whatever part of his body he touched her with. Then we turn to the girl and tell her, yes, we understand you've had a terrible experience. But it's over now. And look, some good has come out of it: here is this beautiful baby. We will do all we can to help you and your baby.

You will not end incest by allowing the abuser to destroy the evidence.
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                                             re: abortions for rape & incest... - JeffB MU - 9/20 12:56:42
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