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'If abortion were black & white, I'd be totally against it.'

Posted on: September 20, 2016 at 12:32:39 CT
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Actually, it IS black and white.

The fact is that every direct abortion is the deliberate, often brutal slaughter of an innocent human being.

That is not some religious or philosophical opinion, but a scientific fact. (1)

I would also note that there are really four possibilities with regards to abortion:

1. The fetus is a human being and we know it.
2. The fetus is a human being and we don't know whether it is a human being or not.
3. The fetus is NOT a human being but we don't know whether it is a human being or not.
4. The fetus is NOT a human being and we know for certain that he or she is not human.

Under common law deliberately killing some being is a crime in all but the 4th circumstance. If a hunter saw some bushes moving in the low light of dawn and he shot the form moving in the bushes he would be guilty of murder in situations analogous to item #1 above. He knew it was a human but he killed it anyway.

In situation #2 above he would be guilty of manslaughter.

Even in situation #3 he would be guilty of reckless endangerment.

ONLY in situation #4 would he be free of guilt.

With respect to abortion, however, we are clearly dealing with situation #1 if science is to be believed. The scientists/doctors who study the beginning of life are embryologists, and they have known unequivocally for close to a century that a human being comes into existence at conception.

endnote:

When does human life begin?
https://prolifepages.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/when-does-human-life-begin/

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When Word Games Kill

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/irv/irv_06wordgame.html

“It might surprise many that there has been an unaltered scientific consensus for half a century that a real, already existing, live, whole human being begins as a human embryo (or zygote) immediately at fertilization. This is a scientific fact – not an “opinion”, or a religious or theological belief. And public policy debates and decision making should not continue to escape that unavoidable scientific fact.”

The testimony of the top experts from around the world assembled for hearings before a U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee Hearings on the question, “When Does Human Life Begin?”, April 23-24, 1981 all came to the same, unanimous, unambiguous answer — Human life begins at conception. A few quotes:

Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life began at conception.

* “Father of Modern Genetics” Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: “To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion … it is plain experimental evidence.”

* Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

* Dr. Richard V. Jaynes: “To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous.”

* Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the “Father of In Vitro Fertilization” notes, “Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind.” And on the Supreme Court ruling _Roe v. Wade_, “To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion.”

* Professor Eugene Diamond: “…either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty.”

For those who might prefer a more thorough, scientific explanation, please see Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.’s article:
When do human beings (normally) begin?
“scientific” myths and scientific facts

http://lifeissues.net/writers/irv/irv_01lifebegin1.html
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