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Coercion prevents opting out. The southern states tried

Posted on: January 2, 2025 at 22:12:48 CT
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that on a macro level, though they had their own “noble lies” or myths.

Plato’s cave allegory describes what one can do. It’s a story of men imprisoned from birth in a cave, forced to face the back wall. Behind them is a path where puppeteer showmen perform and behind them diffuse light from the entrance of the cave and a fire. The prisoners can only see shadows created by puppeteers dancing on the cave wall which they come to believe is reality.

One of the prisoners escapes being chained and is able to exit the cave. At first the light is blinding, it is painful, but his eyes adjust and he is able to see the world as it is.

The escaped prisoner is compelled to re-enter the cave to tell the others what he has learned. Returning to the dark, he stumbles as his eyes have not adjusted to the darkness. Some of the prisoners laugh and call him a fool and ridicule him when he tells them that what they are seeing are only shadows created by puppeteers and choose to reject him remaining where they are. But some will choose to accept his help in escaping the dark cave and step out of the shadows into the blinding light to see the world as how it really is.
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Convincing people to believe in the myth of government. - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 14:03:41
     Ha ha ha ha ha . Preposterous(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/2 22:10:32
          ^^^Blind man living in a cave. Do you believe “all men are - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:35:10
               Yes(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/3 05:45:57
     Politicians are mostly attorneys, they tell you whatever you - MU-TULSA MU - 1/2 18:31:15
     Then why are all you guys cowards to the myth?(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 1/2 18:29:03
          Cowards? Wouldn’t that be those who buy into the myth, who - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:53:18
               I'd like to hear how you opt out of the myth? Don't pay - MUTGR MU - 1/2 20:57:32
                    Coercion prevents opting out. The southern states tried - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:12:48
     A+ on your paper kid. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/2 16:56:19
          Nm - hokie VT - 1/2 17:25:00
     Correction: Government is reality, but it is bought into - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 15:08:30
          it’s a construct (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:45:06
               so is anarchy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 16:45:39
                    no. anarchy is the absence of a ruler - pickle MU - 1/2 16:47:25
                         Yes it is - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/3 10:14:34
                              lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 19:18:45
                         Seems like it is, because throughout human history, - MUTGR MU - 1/2 22:10:32
                              RE: Seems like it is, because throughout human history, - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:45:04
                         lmfao, I know what anarchy is, and it's a construct just - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 18:11:23
                              Correct, it's a concept without empirical evidence (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/3 10:15:35
                              no (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 19:37:44
                                   lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:41:33
                              Wrong.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:32:18
                                   lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:41:23
                         Is presence of a ruler a construct? (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/2 17:26:12
                              Yes. (nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:32:33
                         What is 'democracy'? Is it a concept? - Spanky KU - 1/2 16:53:11
                              Of course it is.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:25:37
                              RE: What is 'democracy'? Is it a concept? - sarasotatiger MU - 1/2 17:57:15
                                   Then why aren’t you informing pickle that anarchy - Spanky KU - 1/2 21:08:51
                                        Anarchy isn’t a concept.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:14:30
                                             Sure it is pickle(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/2 23:07:22
                                                  It isn’t. Humanity didn’t start with governments. They were - TigerMatt KC - 1/3 09:04:26
                                                       Nearly every group of humans had a hierarchy and a leader - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:44:13
          Philosophically it isn’t reality. - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:17:28
               this thread and the concept in the OP is uninteresting - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 15:40:22
          Agreed(nm) - meatiger MU - 1/2 15:08:47
     that is one odd take ... - tmcats KSU - 1/2 14:38:57
          that’s because you’re stupid (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:45:34
          Yes. It is a myth. It is a concept of the mind, not - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 14:59:54
               There is a difference - sks MU - 1/2 15:47:51
                    A myth is man made. Florida is a fiction. It’s border - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 16:20:42
                         A myth is only man-made - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/3 10:17:47
                         RE: A myth is man made. Florida is a fiction. It’s border - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:53:02
                              Negotiations happen all the time without force. You’ve - TigerMatt KC - 1/3 09:03:22
                         anarchy is a myth, per your definition. I don't know why - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 16:41:22
                              Anarchy isn’t a myth. Within anarchy, people can come up - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:31:43
                                   and the concepts they come up with will be - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:42:33
                                        Yes, as I already stated.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:13:26
                                   nothing in your answer has anything to do with myth or - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:42:03
                                        Anarchy has nothing to do with myth. It’s the default - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:28:26
                                             RE: Anarchy has nothing to do with myth. It’s the default - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:54:42
                                                  No one is born believing in government or a god. They - TigerMatt KC - 1/3 09:02:27
                              anarchy isn’t a myth (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:46:03
                                   it is per PlatoMatt, pickle. Follow the thread (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 18:12:03
                    correct; and using MattPlato's logic, anarchy isn't real - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 16:09:33
                         Anarchy is the natural state before man establishes - Seagull MU - 1/2 17:01:45
                              lol, it's just a philosophical construct and isn't "real", - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 18:12:59
                         that’s not correct (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:46:34
     original thoughts or from another ?(nm) - tman MU - 1/2 14:33:50
          It’s a summary. (nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:01:03
               taken from another with no credit. you should at least - tman MU - 1/2 15:19:18
                    There is no link. But you can start with Plato’s Republic.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:32:37
          well more of delusional rambling than thought - JG A - 1/2 14:43:55
               It’s only been covered repeatedly over the past 2500 - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:01:54
                    so been dismissed for 2500 years by - JG A - 1/2 16:24:40
                         Actually it hasn’t been dismissed. That is why throughout - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:34:33
                              RE: Actually it hasn’t been dismissed. That is why throughout - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:58:40
               HOW DARE HE TALK ABOUT MUH GUBMINT LIKE THAT!!! (nm) - MIZ45 KC - 1/2 14:52:06




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