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Convincing people to believe in the myth of government.

Posted on: January 2, 2025 at 14:03:41 CT
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Government is fiction. It doesn’t exist in objective reality. It is an imagined order, a system based upon myths. Gravity will exist even if we stop believing in it. Radioactivity will still be dangerous even if we don’t know it exists.

Imagined order systems, based upon myths, such as government are not stable. There is no guarantee they will last.

In order to maintain this myth of government, there are two requirements to maintain the myth.

1. Coercion

The myth creators/sustainers need to continually enforce peoples’ beliefs in the fiction. This is often done with violence. Armies, courts and police make sure that the people comply with laws of the imagined order. For example, when Americans decided that African slaves should enjoy the right to freedom, they had to fight a war to enforce this principle in the South.

2. True Believers

Coercion isn’t easy - it’s actually hard to coordinate violence. Armies, courts and police won’t be effective at enforcing the imagined order of they don’t believe in it, or at least something. Soldiers and police must believe in the myth of god, the nation, honor or money. It doesn’t matter what myth they choose to believe, as long as the resulting behaviors lead to enforcing political order. So, for instance, a soldier may not believe in the imagined political order he’s supposed to defend, but if he believes in the myth of money, he may enforce the political order anyway.

How do you get people to believe in the imagined order in the first place?

First of all, you don’t tell people that it’s imagined. You maintain that the society was created by gods or nature, thereby making it part of objective reality.

Next, you constantly remind people of the imagined order’s principles until the imagined order feels like a natural order. You can do this by inundating your citizens with these principles from childhood in the forms of fairy tales, art, traditions, propaganda, and fashions.
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Convincing people to believe in the myth of government. - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 14:03:41
     Ha ha ha ha ha . Preposterous(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/2 22:10:32
          ^^^Blind man living in a cave. Do you believe “all men are - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:35:10
               Yes(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/3 05:45:57
     Then why are all you guys cowards to the myth?(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 1/2 18:29:03
          Cowards? Wouldn’t that be those who buy into the myth, who - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:53:18
               I'd like to hear how you opt out of the myth? Don't pay - MUTGR MU - 1/2 20:57:32
                    Coercion prevents opting out. The southern states tried - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:12:48
     A+ on your paper kid. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 1/2 16:56:19
          Nm - hokie VT - 1/2 17:25:00
     Correction: Government is reality, but it is bought into - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 15:08:30
          it’s a construct (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:45:06
               so is anarchy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 16:45:39
                    no. anarchy is the absence of a ruler - pickle MU - 1/2 16:47:25
                         Yes it is - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/3 10:14:34
                              lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 1/4 19:18:45
                         Seems like it is, because throughout human history, - MUTGR MU - 1/2 22:10:32
                              RE: Seems like it is, because throughout human history, - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:45:04
                         lmfao, I know what anarchy is, and it's a construct just - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 18:11:23
                              Correct, it's a concept without empirical evidence (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/3 10:15:35
                              no (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 19:37:44
                                   lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:41:33
                              Wrong.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:32:18
                                   lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:41:23
                         Is presence of a ruler a construct? (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/2 17:26:12
                              Yes. (nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:32:33
                         What is 'democracy'? Is it a concept? - Spanky KU - 1/2 16:53:11
                              Of course it is.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:25:37
                              RE: What is 'democracy'? Is it a concept? - sarasotatiger MU - 1/2 17:57:15
                                   Then why aren’t you informing pickle that anarchy - Spanky KU - 1/2 21:08:51
                                        Anarchy isn’t a concept.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:14:30
                                             Sure it is pickle(nm) - Spanky KU - 1/2 23:07:22
                                                  It isn’t. Humanity didn’t start with governments. They were - TigerMatt KC - 1/3 09:04:26
                                                       Nearly every group of humans had a hierarchy and a leader - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:44:13
          Philosophically it isn’t reality. - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:17:28
               this thread and the concept in the OP is uninteresting - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 15:40:22
          Agreed(nm) - meatiger MU - 1/2 15:08:47
     that is one odd take ... - tmcats KSU - 1/2 14:38:57
          that’s because you’re stupid (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:45:34
          Yes. It is a myth. It is a concept of the mind, not - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 14:59:54
               There is a difference - sks MU - 1/2 15:47:51
                    A myth is man made. Florida is a fiction. It’s border - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 16:20:42
                         A myth is only man-made - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/3 10:17:47
                         RE: A myth is man made. Florida is a fiction. It’s border - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:53:02
                              Negotiations happen all the time without force. You’ve - TigerMatt KC - 1/3 09:03:22
                         anarchy is a myth, per your definition. I don't know why - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 16:41:22
                              Anarchy isn’t a myth. Within anarchy, people can come up - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:31:43
                                   and the concepts they come up with will be - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:42:33
                                        Yes, as I already stated.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:13:26
                                   nothing in your answer has anything to do with myth or - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 20:42:03
                                        Anarchy has nothing to do with myth. It’s the default - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 22:28:26
                                             RE: Anarchy has nothing to do with myth. It’s the default - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:54:42
                                                  No one is born believing in government or a god. They - TigerMatt KC - 1/3 09:02:27
                              anarchy isn’t a myth (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:46:03
                                   it is per PlatoMatt, pickle. Follow the thread (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 18:12:03
                    correct; and using MattPlato's logic, anarchy isn't real - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 16:09:33
                         Anarchy is the natural state before man establishes - Seagull MU - 1/2 17:01:45
                              lol, it's just a philosophical construct and isn't "real", - 90Tiger STL - 1/2 18:12:59
                         that’s not correct (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 16:46:34
     original thoughts or from another ?(nm) - tman MU - 1/2 14:33:50
          It’s a summary. (nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:01:03
               taken from another with no credit. you should at least - tman MU - 1/2 15:19:18
                    There is no link. But you can start with Plato’s Republic.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:32:37
          well more of delusional rambling than thought - JG A - 1/2 14:43:55
               It’s only been covered repeatedly over the past 2500 - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 15:01:54
                    so been dismissed for 2500 years by - JG A - 1/2 16:24:40
                         Actually it hasn’t been dismissed. That is why throughout - TigerMatt KC - 1/2 19:34:33
                              RE: Actually it hasn’t been dismissed. That is why throughout - THEGROVE68 MU - 1/2 23:58:40
               HOW DARE HE TALK ABOUT MUH GUBMINT LIKE THAT!!! (nm) - MIZ45 KC - 1/2 14:52:06




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