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Posted on: September 17, 2024 at 09:45:38 CT
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The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”
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It is truly sad how many here and elsewhere decry - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/17 08:37:47
     I would be for one man one vote - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/17 09:44:34
          an interesting requirement to vote might be - o'lineydisciple MU - 9/17 12:01:21
          lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:49:05
               Or we could go back to what worked for centuries.: monarchy(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/17 09:50:34
                    We are getting closer to that now(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:52:23
                         We are not getting closer to a monarchy (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 9/17 09:55:19
                              RE: We are not getting closer to a monarchy (nm) - meatiger MU - 9/17 10:01:46
                                   that's not a monarchy, meat (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/17 11:34:08
                                   You might have a point on EO authority, but the presidential - CulturedDan KC - 9/17 10:05:02
                         we are not(nm) - CulturedDan KC - 9/17 09:54:27
                              RE: we are not(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:55:54
                         Progs already think we elect kings and queens - Wildcat KSU - 9/17 09:54:23
     Meh, it's all corrupt and always has been. The sad truth - Diamond Dave MU - 9/17 09:37:36
     As *they were* founded. - ummmm MU - 9/17 09:35:35
          I argue only from this standpoint - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/17 10:33:06
               Wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 9/17 10:44:30
          yes, a confederation of independent countries - pickle MU - 9/17 09:37:21
               Welcome back, pickle. - ummmm MU - 9/17 10:01:58
                    Thanks! - pickle MU - 9/17 10:30:51
     Try Peter Pan Creamy smooth next time.(nm) - Toger STL - 9/17 08:52:49
          WTF is the matter with you(nm) - redngray MU - 9/17 09:04:26
               RE: WTF is the matter with you(nm) - Wildcat KSU - 9/17 09:33:52
               RE: WTF is the matter with you(nm) - BH O'bonga MU - 9/17 09:10:15
     Agreed. The failure of journalism and education is cause. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/17 08:51:49
     The objection is not based on principle. It's because the - hokie VT - 9/17 08:51:03
          Correct - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/17 08:54:00
          And you think the GOP - meatiger MU - 9/17 08:52:58
               you're as predictable as the sun rising in the East, meat - 90Tiger STL - 9/17 09:00:58
                    It has only become a relative advantage or disadvantage - KC rules MU - 9/17 09:11:33
                         and this recent phenomena is precisely why the EC is - 90Tiger STL - 9/17 11:25:04
                         Which is exactly why it was put in place. (nm) - Outsider MU - 9/17 09:13:06
                              It was not born out of principle but rather - KC rules MU - 9/17 09:17:48
                                   water is wet (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/17 11:25:26
                              No it was not - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:15:01
                                   Yes it was. The founders were divided as to how our - Outsider MU - 9/17 09:26:31
                                        There were only 13 states then - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:39:55
                                             This might help… - Outsider MU - 9/17 09:45:38
                                                  Yes, I get all that - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:48:49
                    RE: you're as predictable as the sun rising in the East, meat - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:04:57
                         You haven't backed your claim that "pubs would hate it too!" - 90Tiger STL - 9/17 11:26:53
               And that’s important to you? It’s either you believe in the - Outsider MU - 9/17 08:55:55
                    To me, the voting system is not the problem - meatiger MU - 9/17 08:58:16
                         Yes, the candidates we have are crap, that we can agree…. - Outsider MU - 9/17 09:08:40
                              RE: Yes, the candidates we have are crap, that we can agree…. - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:13:15
                                   Of course it does. The dumber and more dependent the… - Outsider MU - 9/17 09:19:09
                                        RE: Of course it does. The dumber and more dependent the… - meatiger MU - 9/17 09:30:26
                                             Yes, this is exactly what happens. And that will not change - Outsider MU - 9/17 09:34:09
     The scenario and factors have remained constant since 1700s - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 08:48:56
          It's amazing you would be content with California, - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/17 09:10:39
          I bet the Venezuelans wish they hadn't given up their guns - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 08:59:32
               It gives me comfort that if Komrad Kamala takes over - CulturedDan KC - 9/17 09:17:11
                    It gives me comfort that if an election is stolen in the - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 09:24:07
               That makes a lot of sense as a response crazy person (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 09:13:54
                    You misspelled honest. Love how you attack the poster - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 09:21:12
                         Good Gun debate you are having on this electoral college - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 09:26:52
                              You brought 2A and claimed it was anachronistic - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 09:29:54
                                   I guess keep looking for those references to the 2A - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 09:33:10
                                        Wow. I guess I am a crazy person. Not sure why 4Tigers posts - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 09:49:28
                                             btw just so you can get the full satisfaction you deserve - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 09:55:01
                                                  We can no longer edit others posts, you are safe from that(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 09:57:47
                                                       Next you'll tell me Nick dropped the pension too(nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 9/17 09:59:57
                                             Apology accepted. Better luck next time (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/17 09:53:55
          * - Carlos Rossi KC - 9/17 08:54:00
          Whoops - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/17 08:52:31
          Nm - Toger STL - 9/17 08:52:08
     It started with senators not being chosen by the state - tigertix MU - 9/17 08:45:41
     irony - pickle MU - 9/17 08:41:12




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