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Posted on: July 10, 2024 at 21:02:41 CT
haeffb MU
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which is different than illegal/undocumented.

My best guess is the latter number is near zero simply because of the risk/reward.

What would you contend an illegal has to gain from voting?
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198 dems voted against making it illegal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/10 20:05:40
     Solution in search of a problem(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 7/11 09:01:47
     RE: 198 dems voted against making it illegal - THEGROVE68 MU - 7/11 01:39:27
     RE: 198 dems voted against making it illegal - sarasotatiger MU - 7/10 22:54:27
          An irrelevancy to his point.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/11 07:02:35
          "What is Project 2025?": I haven't the slighteset clue, but - BH O'bonga MU - 7/11 05:37:08
     You ever notice how JG disappears at times - OntheMark MU - 7/10 22:45:44
          LOL. all honest posters know I am not , never been, never - JG A - 7/10 22:49:45
               4 lies(nm) - Panthera MU - 7/11 06:07:26
     That whole "save the democracy " is what we thought it was.. - Outsider MU - 7/10 20:26:38
          Can't. Middle of the road, social liberal - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:32:22
     and the bull$hit about "the end of democracy" - just so - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:14:17
     it's already illegal for non-citizens to vote - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:08:41
          no it isn't. Check Arizona laws, Ferg. Go ahead. - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:16:12
               it's a political stunt - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:22:20
                    You abandoned the, "it's already illegal" BS, for - hokie VT - 7/11 07:05:59
                    Jose Luiz Gonzalez. - Logan BAMA - 7/10 21:52:00
                    Ask Bob Dornan about that - Spanky KU - 7/10 21:02:13
                         I have no idea who that is and what he - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:04:40
                              Google is too hard for some people(nm) - Spanky KU - 7/10 21:11:27
                                   I thought you would provide some contect - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:12:50
                                        Bob Dornan - Spanky KU - 7/10 21:27:01
                                             Never heard of him - Ferg MU - 7/10 22:29:33
                                                  RE: Never heard of him - Spanky KU - 7/10 22:54:56
                    false - it adds teeth (by way of requiring ID/verification) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:40:04
                    What's the logic, or lack thereof, behind the stunt? - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:36:16
                         the stunt is to perpetuate - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:07:32
                              That's the stunt in introducing the legislation - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:09:00
                                   why would someone support legislation that outlaws - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:14:55
                                        here, look at what the law actually is, ferg - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:18:25
                                        Folks supported "hate crime" legislation....those were - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:16:53
                                             so you're justifying adding an unnecessary law - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:44:11
                                                  see below(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:46:27
                                                       all I see below is about 10,000 posts by - Ferg MU - 7/10 22:01:52
                                                            it's amazing how easily you don't read and yet still - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:08:08
                                        kind of like the anti-lynching law - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 21:16:29
                                             Hate Crimes!! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:36:21
                                                  another good example of a law that is unnecesary - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:37:56
                                                       no, the law you still haven't read isn't redundant to the - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:38:31
                                                            personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:42:39
                                                                 RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:51:19
                                                                      RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:59:10
                                                                           LIKE I SAID EARLIER - there IS evidence, you just don't - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:03:19
                                                                      RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:58:39
                                                                           RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:03:33
                                                                 why do you refuse to educate yourself? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 21:45:14
                                                                      why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:52:04
                                                                           RE: why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:52:30
                                                                                RE: why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:58:26
                                                                                     RE: why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:02:42
                                                                      he disagrees that any non-citizen voting happens beyond - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:50:21
                                                                           yet you can't provide evidence to counter this - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:52:53
                                                                                RE: yet you can't provide evidence to counter this - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:01:08
                                                                                RE: yet you can't provide evidence to counter this - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:55:06
                                             I was thinking of that very example before you just posted - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:21:59
                                                  Or, and I'm just spit-balling here....it's an attempt to - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:25:25
                                   agree, his answer makes zero sense(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 21:13:07
                         I’m patiently waiting for Ferg’s answer here(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 20:50:21
                              See below....it may be the "requirements" to establish - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:52:19
                                   Poll taxes are unconstitutional - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:55:37
                                        legal ballot harvesting - this issue isn't about non-citizen - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:04:10
                    You are beyond help if you are saying there wasn't a single - Outsider MU - 7/10 20:29:48
                         I'm sure there was at least one - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:31:53
                              Its more than jus one... - Outsider MU - 7/10 20:43:31
                                   From article 90T posted below - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:54:04
                                        And that is a mixture of red and blue states(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:56:00
                                             what are the numbers from all the other states? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:58:38
                                                  Those numbers are noncitizen - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:02:41
                                                       nothing! it's to the benefit of the political operative help - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:09:04
                                                  No idea - meatiger MU - 7/10 21:01:04
                                   voter fraud doesnt exist if you dont look for it - Leader_of_the_bandwagon MU - 7/10 20:47:27
                                        voter fraud exists but it's not widespread - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:55:37
                                             You have no way of knowing that. You expect to see exact - Outsider MU - 7/10 21:01:30
                                                  every election there are a few individuals that - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:11:20
                                                       Dude, why does anyone commit a crime? They know they will - Outsider MU - 7/10 21:18:38
                                                       sigh - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:15:36
                                                            What’s the benefit to the operative? - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:31:24
                                                                 Ballot harvesting is no longer legal most places - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:37:25
                                             do you think "ballot harvesting" happens? is it "widespread" - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:00:14
                                             how.do.you.know? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:59:02
                                                  because there is no evidence to support this - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:08:45
                                                       there is no evidence you accept, ferg (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:09:38
                                                            what evidence have you provided? I asked you a name - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:25:11
                                                                 RE: what evidence have you provided? I asked you a name - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:52:49
                                                            You have provided none - meatiger MU - 7/10 21:17:20
                                                                 RE: You have provided none - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:52:56
                                        lol, right. if you try to audit, you're suppressing the vot - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:51:08
                              Here is a summary of the new law and why I disagree that - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:38:24
                              how can you know that any more than i can know there - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:36:27
                    Fine. Jail. Deportation. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:25:50
                         RE: Fine. Jail. Deportation. - patriot MU - 7/10 20:31:51
                              I'd put Stephen Miller in the camp(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:34:12
                                   RE: I'd put Stephen Miller in the camp(nm) - patriot MU - 7/10 20:36:48
                                        Yeah, that's it(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:37:45
                                             RE: Yeah, that's it(nm) - patriot MU - 7/10 20:41:21
                                                  Most likely, charge them $10k and send them back in(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:42:44
                                                  We can deport 11 million people easily - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:42:33
                                                       RE: We can deport 11 million people easily - patriot MU - 7/10 20:50:18
                                                            There is no way to completely close the border - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:53:13
                                                                 you don't want anyone prohibited at all - so don't - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:55:56
                                                                      I think if you let them in easier - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:58:14
                                                            Mexico did nothing to stop them coming through, they - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:52:50
                                                       we let them in easily (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:44:14
                                                            That is a mostly passive process - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:48:39
                                                                 i know, meat. It was a joke. then f it, don't try. Just - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:51:55
                    Oh, sure, I have a list right here (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:25:18
                         it should be easy to find one name if this is such - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:30:07
                              i never claimed it is a "massive" problem, Ferg. I contend - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:31:01
               RE: no it isn't. Check Arizona laws, Ferg. Go ahead. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:20:42
               It’s illegal. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:19:36
                    Ok - I did some research. From what I can see it is - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:35:12
                         I have no issue - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:39:57
                    What is the law that makes it illegal everywhere? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:24:50
                         The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:33:01
                              here's a summary of the new law being proposed and - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:37:39
                                   Uh, do I get a free passport out of the deal? (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:50:07
                                        sure haeff, let me guess - it's an imposition and financial - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:54:22
                                             24th Amendment issue (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:59:58
                                                  it's not a "poll tax" any more than the ACA was a - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:10:29
                                                       So, you’re saying SCOTUS would strike down the law (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:16:57
                                                            no, I don't think SCOTUS can be trusted to execute - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:20:30
                                   So it requires a passport - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:47:50
                                        So maybe it's not a stunt vote, but a vote against junk - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:50:07
                                             Most State ID doesn’t require proof of citizenship (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:53:08
                                                  i'd be fine with this (Florida ID requirements to get DL) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:57:28
                                                       Can I use a death certificate? My mom would like to vote(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:04:18
                                                            is she a Dem in California? - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:10:49
                                                                 No, thankfully(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:14:38
                                                  so fund everyone getting a passport, all good! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:55:06
                                                  Your driver's license did....or it did when I got mine - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:54:42
                                   Did you mis-link?(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:40:59
                                        yeah, fixed, thanks. cookies issue. or dumb user with - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:43:28
                              RE: The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:35:41




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