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at the tip of the sword or the barrel of the gun

Posted on: June 1, 2024 at 18:52:42 CT
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it goes back to when big man societies were first formed and which gave way to a warrior priest class and a cosmology that tied both rule and religion together. from there simple chiefdoms, then complex chiefdoms, and the “divine right” of kings
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Hokie bird your criticism of pickle and ummm is misplaced - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 13:42:34
     "a high trust level." You've touched on - MUTGR MU - 6/1 14:33:17
          It's the Jenga piece that when pulled out the whole thing - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 14:52:29
               Of course it does. Your stupid "underlying principles" - hokie VT - 6/1 14:56:15
                    Human nature is peaceful and cooperative (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:34:09
                         That's a bit pollyannish and you know that(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:51:08
                              no, it’s a fact - pickle MU - 6/1 16:41:08
                                   Pickle there are millions of bodies stacked upon each other - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 17:13:58
                                        he's right, give it some serious thought. if it weren't the - 90Tiger STL - 6/1 18:04:33
                                        not every action or person is cooperative - pickle MU - 6/1 17:22:11
                    Do you believe the government grants you rights?* - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 14:59:00
                         Yes. I've said so before. nm - hokie VT - 6/1 15:01:59
                              Then you will always be a slave subject to another man's - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:08:51
                                   RE: Then you will always be retarded - Panthera MU - 6/1 18:13:41
                                   If i want to be part of a society, a nation, a fraternity, a - hokie VT - 6/1 15:12:45
                                        Say you are in a HOA. And the HOA votes that all homeowners - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:41:00
                                             That's what courts are for. That's what WRITTEN rights and - hokie VT - 6/1 15:48:00
                                                  But the HOA voted and passed these rules. You agreed - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:52:37
                                        Man you are so close. Yes you can be a part of all of those - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:15:30
                                             Wow, that's great!!! And i don't have to follow any of the - hokie VT - 6/1 15:17:14
                                                  No you don't have to follow any of the rules - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:18:48
                                                       So i can make loud noises at 3am. I can leave my trash in - hokie VT - 6/1 15:21:16
                                                            Yes! But would you?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:25:39
                                                                 Hokie has to always play the everyone is an azzhole - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:50:11
                                                                      Not everyone - haeffb MU - 6/1 18:17:08
                                                                      Give him some room here he's close(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:52:48
                                                                 Because i'm a drunk, an ass hole and i enjoy plssing - hokie VT - 6/1 15:27:34
                                                                      No you aren't a peasant because you are a man who doesn't - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:31:29
                                                                           I can, but i don't want to. I'm a punk, a drunk and an - hokie VT - 6/1 15:33:52
                                                                                all of this is over your head - pickle MU - 6/1 15:38:17
                                                                                     You aren't helping(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:39:10
                                                                                          he’s unreachable (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 16:43:33
                                                                                               Hokie posts like flat earthers or creationists debate. - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 17:58:09
                                                                                          And in your opinion you are?(nm) - Toger STL - 6/1 15:48:19
                                                                                               No one is talking to you(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:51:50
                                                                                Keep working through this - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 15:37:37
     Excuse me, THE IDIOT IS AN ANARCHIST. nm - hokie VT - 6/1 13:47:23
          What do you think that means?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 13:50:09
     he doesn’t agree. he’s a Marxist - pickle MU - 6/1 13:44:28
          Who or what protects those rights? (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 13:56:37
               The only people who confuse anarchy with utopia are critics - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:14:22
                    Can government exist in that society? nm - hokie VT - 6/1 14:16:10
                         Sure - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:17:18
                              anarchists believe some peoples rights are superior to other - JG A - 6/1 14:21:47
                                   Who’s to say they are wrong? (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 14:23:23
                                        people with rights - JG A - 6/1 14:24:30
                                             But they believe their rights are superior to yours (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 14:28:58
                                                  regretably , yes - JG A - 6/1 14:31:06
                                                       Most people resolve their differences without government - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:33:24
                                                            MOST people...51%? What about those that do not resolve - hokie VT - 6/1 14:36:47
                                                                 closer to 100% (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:25:20
                                                                      How close…98%? 97.25%? Surely you aren’t guessing. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:40:02
                                                                           He knows exactly, but it's over our head. The prisons and - hokie VT - 6/1 15:46:26
                                                                                it’s over your head - pickle MU - 6/1 16:45:28
                                                                 There are certainly unsavory people who are best avoided - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:39:09
                                                                      So if the hell's angels come to our home, break in and - hokie VT - 6/1 14:40:39
                                                                           You can just shoot them - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:41:25
                                                                                Who decides if it's self defense, you? nm - hokie VT - 6/1 14:46:46
                                                                                     the individual. the homeowner (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:26:00
                                                                                          He who shoots best (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/1 15:58:04
                                                                                most people call that anarchy - JG A - 6/1 14:44:42
                                                            I'm not saying they never do - JG A - 6/1 14:35:18
                                                       So you agree with me. Natural rights are subject to - Outsider MU - 6/1 14:33:14
                                                            I never agreed to that - JG A - 6/1 14:36:18
                                                                 So you don’t agree. That would have been easier to say. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 14:37:35
                                                  If they are bigger than you or armed.... they are. nm - hokie VT - 6/1 14:30:49
                                                       even hokie gets it - JG A - 6/1 14:31:48
                                   Okay JG - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:22:44
                                        I've axed it many many times - JG A - 6/1 14:23:42
                                             It’s pretty simple. If someone is polluting your ground - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:57:32
                                                  Who says the land is his? (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:07:19
                                                       He who shoots best (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/1 16:06:58
                                                  yes lets - JG A - 6/1 15:01:11
                                                       Wow! Breaking new ground with that statement. Hahaha! (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:10:04
                                                            how so? - JG A - 6/1 15:11:27
                                                                 You think you are in the smallest of minorities who - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:16:07
                                                                      its pretty damn obvious isn't it? - JG A - 6/1 15:47:01
                                                       The US government is the worst polluter in the world. Yet - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:05:16
                                                            LOl are you saying I support government pollution? - JG A - 6/1 15:07:29
                                                                 1) Do you believe in the consent of the governed? - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:14:58
                                                                      yes. - JG A - 6/1 15:44:31
                                             Anarchists don’t believe in polluting your property(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:26:14
                                                  Of course not, they're great folks. But what if they do it - hokie VT - 6/1 14:51:28
                                                       yes (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:17:16
                                                       Of course dumba$$(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:58:14
                                                            How would that be determined and by whom? Is the - hokie VT - 6/1 15:08:29
                                                                 by the parties (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:17:59
                                                                      Parties? Time to get jiggy with it boys. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:22:39
                                                                           Parties are like individuals i think. But don't worry, the - hokie VT - 6/1 15:26:34
                                                                                strawman (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:28:43
                                                  OK then how does that square with: - JG A - 6/1 14:28:03
                                                       Pretty simple - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:29:36
                                                            not what you said - JG A - 6/1 14:33:05
                                                                 I’m not polluting your groundwater - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:36:17
                                                                      LOL if we are neighbors then polluting your groundwater - JG A - 6/1 14:40:53
                                                                           They can do stuff you don't like. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/1 14:45:50
                                                                                They can do stuff I don't like just so long as it - JG A - 6/1 14:49:14
                              English please. So the answer is no. I can "govern" what i - hokie VT - 6/1 14:20:04
                                   Why would you get to govern what you don’t own? - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:20:51
                                        Your "answer" is virtually always in the form of a - hokie VT - 6/1 14:23:32
                                             All of those are fine(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:24:40
                                                  Isn't that sort of like democracy or representative - hokie VT - 6/1 14:29:48
                                                       All of that is fine - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:31:25
                                                            But we don’t want anarchists living in our area - haeffb MU - 6/1 14:35:44
                                                            So you can violate the laws and the rights of others even - hokie VT - 6/1 14:34:00
                                                                 Living peacefully wouldn’t be violating your rights(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 14:39:55
                                                                      What if you peacefully take stuff from a store? Sovereign - hokie VT - 6/1 14:46:03
                                                                           What if you form a government. The government then decides - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:01:57
                                                                                From what I’ve gathered over the past few days - haeffb MU - 6/1 15:07:42
                                                                                too Putin - JG A - 6/1 15:02:56
               the individual (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 14:08:42
                    Exactly right - haeffb MU - 6/1 14:16:47
                    Awesome! Now we are having what’s called a dialogue…. - Outsider MU - 6/1 14:15:20
                         It's like if a woman is gang raped by a dozen hell's angels, - hokie VT - 6/1 14:17:26
                              Imagine if a Congressman’s son raped his niece. Government - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:04:05
                                   Everything not perfect must be destroyed and replaced with - hokie VT - 6/1 15:24:07
                                   We can be a bit more realistic can’t we… - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:06:27
                                        That works too. The point is government cannot fix - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:08:33
                                             All I’m asking, and certainly Pickles is clueless, who says - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:13:22
                                                  John Locke - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:25:26
                                                       WTAF? - haeffb MU - 6/1 16:04:48
                                                            no. the State only exists by force (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 16:46:51
                                                                 The “Community” just “decided” - haeffb MU - 6/1 17:11:25
                                                                      not if it’s based in voluntaryism rather than coercion - pickle MU - 6/1 17:24:19
                                                                           From where comes the force that causes the State to exist? (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/1 17:39:54
                                                                                at the tip of the sword or the barrel of the gun - pickle MU - 6/1 18:52:42
                                                                                     Did that happen contrary to human nature? - haeffb MU - 6/1 19:25:59
                                                       So those violations then become something like laws… - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:34:32
                              as simple as the answer is, it’s over your head (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 14:25:29
                                   Still waiting for an example please. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 14:30:04
                                        ok (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 14:46:59
                                             Haha! Nice surrender and certainly expected. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:04:23
                                                  you’re confused (nm) - pickle MU - 6/1 15:21:13
                                                       And you’re a fraud. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/1 15:23:11
                                        Don't hold your breath. He will either say that he has - hokie VT - 6/1 14:32:43
               That's a question they won't answer. Because you see, - hokie VT - 6/1 14:06:25
          As is anyone who doesn't buy into your philosophy - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/1 13:46:26
               Absolutists believe that anyone who supports any form of - hokie VT - 6/1 13:49:05
                    no, you’re a Marxist because you advocate - pickle MU - 6/1 14:04:46
                    Ummm has literally said he isn't for the abolition of all - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 6/1 13:57:22
                         he can’t - pickle MU - 6/1 14:07:44




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