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as simple as the answer is, it’s over your head (nm)
Posted on: June 1, 2024 at 14:25:29 CT
pickle
MU
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Hokie bird your criticism of pickle and ummm is misplaced
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 13:42:34
"a high trust level." You've touched on
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MUTGR
MU
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6/1 14:33:17
It's the Jenga piece that when pulled out the whole thing
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 14:52:29
Of course it does. Your stupid "underlying principles"
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:56:15
Human nature is peaceful and cooperative (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:34:09
That's a bit pollyannish and you know that(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:51:08
no, it’s a fact
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pickle
MU
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6/1 16:41:08
Pickle there are millions of bodies stacked upon each other
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 17:13:58
he's right, give it some serious thought. if it weren't the
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90Tiger
STL
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6/1 18:04:33
not every action or person is cooperative
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pickle
MU
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6/1 17:22:11
Do you believe the government grants you rights?*
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 14:59:00
Yes. I've said so before. nm
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:01:59
Then you will always be a slave subject to another man's
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:08:51
RE: Then you will always be retarded
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Panthera
MU
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6/1 18:13:41
If i want to be part of a society, a nation, a fraternity, a
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:12:45
Say you are in a HOA. And the HOA votes that all homeowners
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:41:00
That's what courts are for. That's what WRITTEN rights and
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:48:00
But the HOA voted and passed these rules. You agreed
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:52:37
Man you are so close. Yes you can be a part of all of those
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:15:30
Wow, that's great!!! And i don't have to follow any of the
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:17:14
No you don't have to follow any of the rules
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:18:48
So i can make loud noises at 3am. I can leave my trash in
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:21:16
Yes! But would you?(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:25:39
Hokie has to always play the everyone is an azzhole
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:50:11
Not everyone
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 18:17:08
Give him some room here he's close(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:52:48
Because i'm a drunk, an ass hole and i enjoy plssing
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:27:34
No you aren't a peasant because you are a man who doesn't
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:31:29
I can, but i don't want to. I'm a punk, a drunk and an
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:33:52
all of this is over your head
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:38:17
You aren't helping(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:39:10
he’s unreachable (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 16:43:33
Hokie posts like flat earthers or creationists debate.
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 17:58:09
And in your opinion you are?(nm)
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Toger
STL
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6/1 15:48:19
No one is talking to you(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:51:50
Keep working through this
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 15:37:37
Excuse me, THE IDIOT IS AN ANARCHIST. nm
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hokie
VT
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6/1 13:47:23
What do you think that means?(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 13:50:09
he doesn’t agree. he’s a Marxist
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pickle
MU
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6/1 13:44:28
Who or what protects those rights? (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 13:56:37
The only people who confuse anarchy with utopia are critics
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:14:22
Can government exist in that society? nm
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:16:10
Sure
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:17:18
anarchists believe some peoples rights are superior to other
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JG
A
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6/1 14:21:47
Who’s to say they are wrong? (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 14:23:23
people with rights
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JG
A
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6/1 14:24:30
But they believe their rights are superior to yours (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 14:28:58
regretably , yes
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JG
A
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6/1 14:31:06
Most people resolve their differences without government
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:33:24
MOST people...51%? What about those that do not resolve
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:36:47
closer to 100% (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:25:20
How close…98%? 97.25%? Surely you aren’t guessing. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:40:02
He knows exactly, but it's over our head. The prisons and
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:46:26
it’s over your head
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pickle
MU
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6/1 16:45:28
There are certainly unsavory people who are best avoided
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:39:09
So if the hell's angels come to our home, break in and
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:40:39
You can just shoot them
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:41:25
Who decides if it's self defense, you? nm
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:46:46
the individual. the homeowner (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:26:00
He who shoots best (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 15:58:04
most people call that anarchy
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JG
A
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6/1 14:44:42
I'm not saying they never do
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JG
A
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6/1 14:35:18
So you agree with me. Natural rights are subject to
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 14:33:14
I never agreed to that
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JG
A
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6/1 14:36:18
So you don’t agree. That would have been easier to say. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 14:37:35
If they are bigger than you or armed.... they are. nm
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:30:49
even hokie gets it
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JG
A
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6/1 14:31:48
Okay JG
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:22:44
I've axed it many many times
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JG
A
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6/1 14:23:42
It’s pretty simple. If someone is polluting your ground
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 14:57:32
Who says the land is his? (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:07:19
He who shoots best (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 16:06:58
yes lets
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JG
A
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6/1 15:01:11
Wow! Breaking new ground with that statement. Hahaha! (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:10:04
how so?
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JG
A
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6/1 15:11:27
You think you are in the smallest of minorities who
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:16:07
its pretty damn obvious isn't it?
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JG
A
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6/1 15:47:01
The US government is the worst polluter in the world. Yet
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:05:16
LOl are you saying I support government pollution?
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JG
A
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6/1 15:07:29
1) Do you believe in the consent of the governed?
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:14:58
yes.
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JG
A
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6/1 15:44:31
Anarchists don’t believe in polluting your property(nm)
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:26:14
Of course not, they're great folks. But what if they do it
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:51:28
yes (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:17:16
Of course dumba$$(nm)
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 14:58:14
How would that be determined and by whom? Is the
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:08:29
by the parties (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:17:59
Parties? Time to get jiggy with it boys. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:22:39
Parties are like individuals i think. But don't worry, the
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:26:34
strawman (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:28:43
OK then how does that square with:
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JG
A
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6/1 14:28:03
Pretty simple
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:29:36
not what you said
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JG
A
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6/1 14:33:05
I’m not polluting your groundwater
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:36:17
LOL if we are neighbors then polluting your groundwater
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JG
A
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6/1 14:40:53
They can do stuff you don't like.
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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6/1 14:45:50
They can do stuff I don't like just so long as it
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JG
A
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6/1 14:49:14
English please. So the answer is no. I can "govern" what i
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:20:04
Why would you get to govern what you don’t own?
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:20:51
Your "answer" is virtually always in the form of a
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:23:32
All of those are fine(nm)
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:24:40
Isn't that sort of like democracy or representative
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:29:48
All of that is fine
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:31:25
But we don’t want anarchists living in our area
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 14:35:44
So you can violate the laws and the rights of others even
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:34:00
Living peacefully wouldn’t be violating your rights(nm)
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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6/1 14:39:55
What if you peacefully take stuff from a store? Sovereign
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:46:03
What if you form a government. The government then decides
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:01:57
From what I’ve gathered over the past few days
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 15:07:42
too Putin
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JG
A
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6/1 15:02:56
the individual (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 14:08:42
Exactly right
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 14:16:47
Awesome! Now we are having what’s called a dialogue….
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 14:15:20
It's like if a woman is gang raped by a dozen hell's angels,
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:17:26
Imagine if a Congressman’s son raped his niece. Government
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:04:05
Everything not perfect must be destroyed and replaced with
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hokie
VT
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6/1 15:24:07
We can be a bit more realistic can’t we…
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:06:27
That works too. The point is government cannot fix
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:08:33
All I’m asking, and certainly Pickles is clueless, who says
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:13:22
John Locke
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TigerMatt
MISS
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6/1 15:25:26
WTAF?
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 16:04:48
no. the State only exists by force (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 16:46:51
The “Community” just “decided”
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 17:11:25
not if it’s based in voluntaryism rather than coercion
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pickle
MU
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6/1 17:24:19
From where comes the force that causes the State to exist? (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 17:39:54
at the tip of the sword or the barrel of the gun
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pickle
MU
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6/1 18:52:42
Did that happen contrary to human nature?
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haeffb
MU
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6/1 19:25:59
So those violations then become something like laws…
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:34:32
as simple as the answer is, it’s over your head (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 14:25:29
Still waiting for an example please. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 14:30:04
ok (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 14:46:59
Haha! Nice surrender and certainly expected. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:04:23
you’re confused (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/1 15:21:13
And you’re a fraud. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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6/1 15:23:11
Don't hold your breath. He will either say that he has
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:32:43
That's a question they won't answer. Because you see,
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hokie
VT
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6/1 14:06:25
As is anyone who doesn't buy into your philosophy
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Tigrrrr!
MU
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6/1 13:46:26
Absolutists believe that anyone who supports any form of
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hokie
VT
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6/1 13:49:05
no, you’re a Marxist because you advocate
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pickle
MU
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6/1 14:04:46
Ummm has literally said he isn't for the abolition of all
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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6/1 13:57:22
he can’t
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pickle
MU
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6/1 14:07:44