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How are they bestowed, if people don't know what

Posted on: November 30, 2023 at 08:04:47 CT
hokie VT
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Their rights are? And are they the same in the jungles of the Amazon, the sahara in Africa, and the palaces of Europe?

Who enforces those rights and who punishes violators?

And who interprets what exactly those rights are, and what the extent of those rights are?

I believe that humans in the form of Thomas Jefferson and John Locke to name two, attempted to codify and prescribe what those inalienable rights are or should be. And they believe, perhaps, rightly, that those rights are God-given.

But they still need to be identified, articulated, and understood by the people upon whom they were bestowed.
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I'm starting to believe in the whole "natural rights" - hokie VT - 11/30 07:37:56
     The US is / was based on natural rights you moran (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 10:31:27
          Key words "based on". It'd more accurate to have said - hokie VT - 11/30 11:36:31
               some did, some didn't. It's God's Nature or just Nature and - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 12:54:24
     troll (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 08:30:19
     Why do you keep claiming - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:54:14
          And while I don't disagree, I'll again ask the question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:08:36
               Natural law isn’t forced upon anyone. That is why - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 08:53:08
                    If someone believes the strong should rule - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:55:56
                         oh boy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 10:31:57
                         oh, dear (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:11:12
                              It’s amazing people will argue against principles - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:26:54
                                   I am simply asking why you believe this moral code - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:27:57
                                        “Mind your own business” is not a positive action - pickle MU - 11/30 09:43:27
                                        It requires no one to do anything against others. Every - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:33:18
                         Because it is theft. If something was taken from them - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:09:16
                              They may not be that upset and may simply - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:10:51
                                   Perhaps you don’t grasp what force means. Doing nothing - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:15:30
                                        I am not arguing with you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:18:01
                                             logic and reason (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:20:53
                                             Of course it is the best one. It originates with God. - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:20:35
                                                  So imposing your moral code on others is fine - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:21:44
                                                       Do nothing is not an imposition. How do you not grasp that?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:22:28
                                                            Willful ignorance and some trolling (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 11/30 09:38:58
                                                            In your view that is the case - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:24:41
                                                                 In your scenario, who is the one taking action?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:25:13
                                                                      Who takes action is your determinant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:26:58
                                                                           Who is taking action against another person?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:29:01
               incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 08:34:41
               You can live however you wish - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:10:44
                    You didn't answer my question. Again. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:12:48
                         So are you asking what you do with people who break - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 08:51:36
                              No, I am asking why he accuses others of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:54:33
                                   wrong. your example requires POSITIVE action - pickle MU - 11/30 09:22:06
                                   Natural Law isn’t inflicted. You can’t inflict something - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:10:48
                                        If someone believes the strong win - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:12:08
                                             Same as now. Theft is morally wrong. Those who violate - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:18:01
                                                  That has been called mob rule - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:18:55
                                                       lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:44:06
                                                       HOA rules are agreed upon at time of purchase. The contract - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:21:44
                                                            So agree with the majority who made the rules - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:23:01
                                                                 No. It is voluntary to join an HOA. You get all the HOA - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:24:42
                                                                      Yes. I have no say. Some majority made the rules - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:26:02
                                                                           no say? don't join. Do you have a choice to join - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 10:33:57
                                                                           false (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:44:32
                                                                           Of course you do. You had your say at the time you chose to - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:28:11
          because he's a troll. Also, - SwampTiger MU - 11/30 07:57:35
               I guess I meant to say - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:58:53
                    You actually MEANT to say that? Why? Nm - hokie VT - 11/30 08:06:20
                         Why - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:08:13
                              So, you actually intended to say... to CLARIFY with - hokie VT - 11/30 08:27:30
          What methofs would those be? (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/30 07:56:21
               It has been discussed so many times on here(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:58:07
                    Apparently not very convincingly. (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/30 07:59:23
                         They "discuss" things on here by posting "LOL" or saying - hokie VT - 11/30 09:30:51
                         If you decide to not actually pay attention - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:00:36
                              I'm just asking you to explain your post... - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:04:40
                                   It is more about what is a crime than anything - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:07:23
                                        So in your version of Valhalla, someone considering - hokie VT - 11/30 08:13:30
                                             Why would he pay it back? Who or what is going to - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:19:31
                                             why should the government profit - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:15:02
                                                  And yes, if restitution is paid - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:16:40
                                                       You think that's a sufficient deterrent…? There is a - hokie VT - 11/30 08:25:00
                                                            I am not concerned about deterrent - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:42:06
                                                                 Wow, that sounds really simple. Do the people in the - hokie VT - 11/30 09:17:13
                                                                 So if your children need to get to school - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:45:44
                                                                      To some extent that is being done today already - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:57:25
                                                                           Yes, but you believe that should be up to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:59:08
                                                                                I think people should pay for their own security - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:02:25
                                                                                     Ok. Thanks for that. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:03:23
                                                                                          Should security be free? - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:05:16
                                                                                               No one is prohibiting anyone from taking - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:08:26
                                        And ive seen this many times and yet not once - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:09:53
               Don't hold your breath for a legitimate answer here. Nm - hokie VT - 11/30 07:57:26
     I believe in natural rights bestowed on man - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 07:48:01
          society = all voluntary interactions between individuals - pickle MU - 11/30 08:32:07
          How are they bestowed, if people don't know what - hokie VT - 11/30 08:04:47
               They named them and set up protections for them - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:11:07
                    How do they know they correctly interpreted God's will? Nm - hokie VT - 11/30 08:28:57
                         They likely aren’t 100% sure - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:33:34
               Its been discussed more times than meat can - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:06:18
                    Except that imo Michigan is a sane and honest person. He - hokie VT - 11/30 08:08:52
                         Thank you hokie - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:34:26
          So what has been the traditional culture of USA - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:56:12
               Judeo Christian moral code - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:03:22




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