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Posted on: August 9, 2023 at 11:26:00 CT
meatiger MU
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the big debate is around when is it its own being. Up until more modern science, the birth was considered the start of life as we know it. Otherwise it was pretty much incubating and completely dependent on the mother, and sort of considered property of the mother (bad description, but best I know how to describe it), so it was the mother's sole decision.

as science and understandings advanced, it became more ambiguous. Now there are about 100 different lines that can be drawn around it.

add on top of that the fact that a baby is also completely dependent on care in early life, and a sexualized culture that brings about babies.

there are a few logical places that can be put across as suggestions that most can agree on, but even then, by logical definition it is murder, but is not treated as such.
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If abortion is put on the next ballot during presidential - KCT-BoneTiger MU - 8/9 09:45:11
     The hoes will vote(nm) - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/9 11:29:57
          This. whores are baby killers. they love killing - TigerFan92 STL - 8/9 13:45:01
     It's nice that there's an issue that Karen's, vicious black - hokie VT - 8/9 11:14:48
     State ballot appears to be all that's necessary.(nm) - Toger STL - 8/9 10:15:40
          Progressives have always avoided the hard work required to - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/9 10:22:59
               Thanks for the motivation.(nm) - Toger STL - 8/9 10:35:12
     This some attempt - Wildcat KSU - 8/9 10:12:09
     How is that going to happen? The SC ruled it was not a - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/9 10:10:43
          State Propositions and Constitutional Amendments that - Spanky KU - 8/9 10:37:50
               The OP said the next presidential election. State props - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/9 12:14:14
                    lol, dh - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 12:58:01
                         he's really dumb (nm) - ashtray UF - 8/9 13:38:12
                              time for him - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 13:42:38
     RE: If abortion is put on the next ballot during presidential - sarasotatiger MU - 8/9 09:55:12
          RE: If abortion is put on the next ballot during presidential - BH O'bonga MU - 8/9 09:57:20
               RE: If abortion is put on the next ballot during presidential - sarasotatiger MU - 8/9 10:14:15
                    RE: If abortion is put on the next ballot during presidential - BH O'bonga MU - 8/9 10:27:58
     it will get the murderous white liberal women out - Sal CMSU - 8/9 09:50:52
          RE: it will get the murderous white liberal women out - MIZ45 MU - 8/9 09:58:57
     It will, apparently, drive a bunch of baby killers to the - ummmm MU - 8/9 09:49:40
          Democracy(nm) - Toger STL - 8/9 10:10:21
               Yes, this is the fatal flaw of democracy. - ummmm MU - 8/9 10:20:46
                    false - ashtray UF - 8/9 13:39:22
                         The baby disagrees(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 8/9 13:47:13
                              the fetus isn't capable of disagreeing (nm) - ashtray UF - 8/9 13:47:43
                    so why, in places where abortion is illegal - meatiger MU - 8/9 10:54:57
                         it should be(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 8/9 13:47:30
                              yer a commie (nm) - ashtray UF - 8/9 13:47:58
                         I don't know. That's a good question. - ummmm MU - 8/9 11:08:22
                              mostly a matter of convenience - meatiger MU - 8/9 11:26:00
                                   There are humans, outside the womb, that are also - ummmm MU - 8/9 11:37:38
                                        your epiphany excluded the right to self-ownership I guess - ashtray UF - 8/9 13:43:23
                                             is killing an 8 3/4 month old fetus morally wrong? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 14:12:34
                                                  it isn't a fetus any longer at 8 3/4 months - ashtray UF - 8/10 10:04:26
                                        I don't disagree and had a similar thought process (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/9 12:41:06
                                        Can you actually discuss the issue - meatiger MU - 8/9 12:20:23
                                             he did discuss it and didn't anywhere imply nor state that t - 90Tiger STL - 8/9 12:58:17
                                                  RE: he did discuss it and didn't anywhere imply nor state that t - meatiger MU - 8/9 13:16:29
                                                  idk, he said he can't find nuance (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 13:06:32
                                        morning after pill? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 11:45:10
                              Like war?(nm) - Toger STL - 8/9 11:12:03
                                   Another very good question. - ummmm MU - 8/9 11:14:09
                                        Somebody somewhere is going to have to flip a coin. - Toger STL - 8/9 11:20:05
                                             What will flipping a coin solve?(nm) - meatiger MU - 8/9 11:39:00
                                                  It means it's the only way to reach a decision because - Toger STL - 8/9 11:42:15
                                             I don't get that. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/9 11:21:17
                                                  Toger doesn't like to make sense(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 8/9 11:33:32
                                                       he likes to make it a challenge (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 11:34:36
                    Human nature.(nm) - Toger STL - 8/9 10:34:16
     how would it be put on the ballot? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/9 09:45:41
          Ink(nm) - meatiger MU - 8/9 10:03:14
          A state proposition/constitutional amendment (nm) - Spanky KU - 8/9 09:48:46




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