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Hiroshima and Nagasaki were shameful war crimes

Posted on: August 2, 2023 at 09:25:37 CT
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I have not yet seen Oppenheimer but from what I gather about the film, it does not dwell on the massive death and suffering that the U.S. government inflicted on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the nuclear bombs dropped on those two cities.

What the film has done is revive the popular justification for the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which is the following: That the nuclear attacks on those two cities obviated the need to invade Japan and, therefore, supposedly ended up saving many more lives than those killed in the nuclear attacks.

In other words, the justification has long been a sort of cost-benefit analysis. Let’s assume that 300,000 people would die in an invasion, including U.S. troops. The estimated number of people killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was around 100,000. Therefore, the argument goes, on balance the nuclear attacks on those two cities was beneficial because it brought an early end to the war and, therefore, spared, say, 200,000 more deaths that would have occurred in an invasion.

There has long been a good response to this cost-benefit justification, however. That response was that an invasion of Japan would never have been necessary. That’s because Japan was ready to surrender. All that Japanese officials needed was a guarantee that U.S. officials would not execute their emperor.

Moreover, it is a virtual certainty that faced with the distinct possibility of a Soviet invasion and long-term occupation of their country, Japan would have quickly surrendered to the United States even without the emperor guarantee, in order to avoid having to live under decades of brutal communist rule, as Eastern Europeans and East Germans were forced to do.

But there is, I believed, a much more powerful argument for why the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should go down as the most shameful war crime in our nation’s history.

In war, soldiers die. That’s the just the nature of war. To sacrifice women, children, seniors, and other non-combatants as a way to save the lives of soldiers is not only a war crime, it’s also a very shameful act.

Some of you may have seen the movie Patton. The movie provides an excellent depiction of U.S. General George Patton, who was a military genius and tremendous leader who led Allied forces to victory over Nazi Germany.

Imagine some subordinate officer coming to Patton in the middle of a major battle. He tells Patton that there is a village ahead that is an obstacle to moving directly forward to strike at the enemy force. The village consists entirely of women and children. Circumventing the village will result in thousands of U.S. soldiers being killed. However, if U.S. forces bomb the village and kill everyone in it, thereby enabling U.S. forces to proceed directly forward, this will result in only hundreds of U.S. soldiers being killed.

What are the chances that Patton would have ordered his forces to bomb the village and kill all those women and children? None! There is no possibility of that at all. Patton understood that soldiers die in war. He would never have sacrificed innocent women and children in order to save the lives of his soldiers. He would have circumvented the village and incurred the casualties.

Killing those tens of thousands of women, children, seniors, and other non-combatants in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is no different in principle. If U.S. soldiers would have had to die in an invasion of Japan, then so be it. Purchasing the lives of soldiers by killing innocent people is not only a war crime, it is also an act of great shame.

Finally, it should be noted that those who continue to justify the dropping of those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki by arguing that the bombs saved lives by bringing an early conclusion to the war will lack the moral standing to complain if another nation cites the same justification for dropping nuclear bombs on enemy cities. The possibility that Russia could cite the same justification in its war on Ukraine comes to mind. What will the justifiers of the U.S. bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki say then?
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki were shameful war crimes - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 09:25:37
     It's never a war crime the first time - lqf2b8 KC - 8/2 10:27:08
          RE: It's never a war crime the first time - lqf2b8 KC - 8/2 11:20:31
     RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were shameful war crimes - MOCO SON MU - 8/2 10:01:43
          Nope, we weren't going to invade Japan. They were done - Diamond Dave MU - 8/2 10:15:11
     I went to Hiroshima once in the late 90s - mu7176grad MU - 8/2 09:59:51
     I seldom post on this forum but you are an idiot - alstl MU - 8/2 09:56:46
          Thats not what im doing(nm) - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 10:57:21
          Japan was in no way a victim. What happened to them they - Outsider MU - 8/2 10:48:46
          Some do not understand the nature of war - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/2 10:22:26
          RE: I seldom post on this forum but you are an idiot: Much - BH O'bonga MU - 8/2 10:19:42
               Children, women, and the elderly acted inhumanely to - Diamond Dave MU - 8/2 10:23:47
                    RE: Children, women, and the elderly acted inhumanely to - BH O'bonga MU - 8/2 10:25:02
                         No we didn't bomb military targets, we bombed 2 cities - Diamond Dave MU - 8/2 10:27:36
                              RE: No we didn't bomb military targets, we bombed 2 cities - BH O'bonga MU - 8/2 11:18:50
                              I don't know if 'full of innocents' is correct - cnk ATL - 8/2 10:32:42
                                   They wanted to bomb kyoto - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 11:05:10
                                        Hiroshima was an industrial center supporting the war - cnk ATL - 8/2 11:15:52
          So bombing civilians was the answer to Japan killing - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 09:58:25
               No, bombing Japan was to end the war and - Outsider MU - 8/2 10:54:38
                    The war was already over - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 11:01:07
                         And many historians and military experts would - Outsider MU - 8/2 11:23:44
               Lol, you have no understanding of war(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 8/2 10:35:28
               It is WAR pussy. All rules are off when survival matters. - Coors4bob STL - 8/2 10:16:35
                    Hefe is dumb af(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 8/2 10:36:11
                    War Pussy.......band name(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 8/2 10:18:49
                         lol(nm) - lqf2b8 KC - 8/2 10:47:14
     who are you going to punish? - fatrat MU - 8/2 09:50:01
          attacked first only if you dont consider economic - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 09:52:04
               As if we did thise things for no reason? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/2 10:57:01
               So China is OK to attack the US? - Coors4bob STL - 8/2 10:17:21
                    No. China is a trading partner. - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 11:00:34
                    wtf? Ony warmongers love war(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 10:24:18
                    Correct - mizzouSECedes STL - 8/2 10:22:25
               Just so I have this right - mizzouSECedes STL - 8/2 09:59:52
                    You still dont have it right. Do better(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 10:00:21
                         Nah, I have it right - mizzouSECedes STL - 8/2 10:02:49
                              you don't. happy to help if you want it (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/2 10:44:14
                                   Both war machines were starving - mizzouSECedes STL - 8/2 10:48:38
                                        I didn't think you would want help (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/2 10:50:29
                                             That's because I fully understand it - mizzouSECedes STL - 8/2 10:53:17
                                                  you're confused, let me know if you change your mind (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/2 11:16:38
               and supplying the UK and Russia via Lend-Lease Act(nm) - cnk ATL - 8/2 09:54:01
          Of course not(nm) - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 09:50:59
               Why not, lots of Americans were killed…. Nm - hokie VT - 8/2 09:55:46
                    Thats why hokie(nm) - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 10:59:27
          LOL, out of the mouths of retarded babes(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 09:49:41
               Japan shouldve bombed civilian boats instead - El-ahrairah UGA - 8/2 09:52:26
               Let areola respond instead of you blithering nonsensically. - hokie VT - 8/2 09:50:59
     I'm always skeptical of viewing these decisions in hindsight - Th8tnTiger MU - 8/2 09:47:17
     Massive fail! The Japanese placed valid war targets in - Spanky KU - 8/2 09:42:07
          Who wrote the Book Of War?(nm) - Toger STL - 8/2 10:07:20
               RE: Who wrote the Book Of War?(nm) - Spanky KU - 8/2 10:36:52
                    Will it hold my attention? Plenty of action, drama with - Toger STL - 8/2 10:56:08
     Nope. Revisionist history. - RHAYWORTH MU - 8/2 09:39:05
          Woke bullsh*t from the most unwoke posters here? lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 09:46:14
     'Merica! - Diamond Dave MU - 8/2 09:37:42
     When the US gets nuked, it'll be kinda ironically funny - ChinaTiger KC - 8/2 09:28:02
          Lol. Yep(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 8/2 09:39:08
     Of course they were but the flag draped brainwashed - hefeweizen MU - 8/2 09:28:00




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