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Posted on: November 15, 2022 at 11:20:35 CT

meatiger MU

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M.O.B. Votes:

Libertarians are not saying there will be no punishment for broken laws, but there is disagreement as to what level the punishments should be, because they recognize that in many ways the punishment is a form of infringement on that person.

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reposting for 4tigs since he probably missed this last night - meatiger MU - 11/15 09:59:19

So you don't wish to impose your will on others - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 10:09:22

Lots of people can separate laws and punishment. - kmawv8 MU - 11/15 11:07:08

So are you saying the libertarian view is to have laws they - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:09:41

There are consequences for breaking the law. - DC Jayhawk KU - 11/15 11:15:49

And I may not disagree, but what is that other than imposing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:17:35

Because I don't see him saying that *will* should be imposed - DC Jayhawk KU - 11/15 11:22:02

And I don't disagree with that. And I agree with it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:24:46

This is the stupidest of strawmen on the planet. - dangertim MU

- 11/15 11:26:28

And they get punished for doing it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:30:28

some people just can't admit when they are wrong - ashtray UF - 11/15 11:29:10

I really do not think he is being dishonest - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:32:03

no, it's dishonesty (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/15 11:35:14

Answer this and I am good - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:35:08

I thought you believe in God. - dangertim MU

- 11/15 12:25:40

I do believe God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 12:35:49

correct, And God established inaliable rights, which - dangertim MU

- 11/15 12:42:58

And I never disputed there is a forcing of will or even - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 12:55:07

i think they will agree that it's the imposition of the - dangertim MU

- 11/15 12:58:02

That is their belief - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 13:00:48

no, their belief is that the murderer is the one who - dangertim MU

- 11/15 13:29:03

No, if they deem what he did to be evil, they have to have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 13:32:20

Never claimed they were an in arguable starting point - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:38:16

Then what is your basis for making those rules about - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:42:08

this shouldn't be hard. - dangertim MU

- 11/15 11:24:11

I agree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:26:09

who ever claimed libertarians are pure and free?(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:21:06

So do you still think it is wrong to use laws to impose - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:22:27

Laws against infringements are not imposing of will laws(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:29:50

But this is the key - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:32:01

forget natural rights - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:33:05

So don't question - just accept your premise as the starting - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:36:04

do you disagree with any of it? - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:37:15

I have never disagreed with that part - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:43:19

No, I'm not saying that. And if you want to have a - kmawv8 MU - 11/15 11:12:42

You cannot separate law and punishment - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:18:41

For discussion you can - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:20:35

Agreed - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:28:01

Good for you, fighting the pointless fight. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 10:07:45

They actually want laws that support what they think is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 10:10:57

Who has said none of us vote?(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 10:10:18

Non participation is the only moral choice ring a bell? - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 10:37:54

link? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 10:49:42

Your memory must be worse than bidens to need a link. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 10:54:45

there isn't a link because meat hasn't said it, so are you - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 10:59:08

Lol. I didn't say that meat said it. You did. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 11:09:34

you said "none of you vote" so are you lying again or is - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 11:12:46

of course I'm right - ashtray UF - 11/15 11:27:55

Ha ha ha . You think this is helping ? - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 11:27:49

that's what I thought (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 12:09:26

RE: that's what I thought (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/15 12:15:35

stop it - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 12:45:44

yes, that is said by some(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 10:44:45

RHAY (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 10:23:23

8th Tiger also accuses many of that as well - meatiger MU - 11/15 10:35:15

RE: RHAY (nm) - Panthera MU - 11/15 10:33:06