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You cannot separate law and punishment

Posted on: November 15, 2022 at 11:18:41 CT

4TigersinMichigan MU

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The purpose of laws is to push a certain way of behavior or there will be consequences. Don't be silly about that.

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reposting for 4tigs since he probably missed this last night - meatiger MU - 11/15 09:59:19

So you don't wish to impose your will on others - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 10:09:22

Lots of people can separate laws and punishment. - kmawv8 MU - 11/15 11:07:08

So are you saying the libertarian view is to have laws they - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:09:41

There are consequences for breaking the law. - DC Jayhawk KU - 11/15 11:15:49

And I may not disagree, but what is that other than imposing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:17:35

Because I don't see him saying that *will* should be imposed - DC Jayhawk KU - 11/15 11:22:02

And I don't disagree with that. And I agree with it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:24:46

This is the stupidest of strawmen on the planet. - dangertim MU

- 11/15 11:26:28

And they get punished for doing it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:30:28

some people just can't admit when they are wrong - ashtray UF - 11/15 11:29:10

I really do not think he is being dishonest - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:32:03

no, it's dishonesty (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/15 11:35:14

Answer this and I am good - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:35:08

I thought you believe in God. - dangertim MU

- 11/15 12:25:40

I do believe God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 12:35:49

correct, And God established inaliable rights, which - dangertim MU

- 11/15 12:42:58

And I never disputed there is a forcing of will or even - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 12:55:07

i think they will agree that it's the imposition of the - dangertim MU

- 11/15 12:58:02

That is their belief - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 13:00:48

no, their belief is that the murderer is the one who - dangertim MU

- 11/15 13:29:03

No, if they deem what he did to be evil, they have to have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 13:32:20

Never claimed they were an in arguable starting point - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:38:16

Then what is your basis for making those rules about - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:42:08

this shouldn't be hard. - dangertim MU

- 11/15 11:24:11

I agree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:26:09

who ever claimed libertarians are pure and free?(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:21:06

So do you still think it is wrong to use laws to impose - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:22:27

Laws against infringements are not imposing of will laws(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:29:50

But this is the key - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:32:01

forget natural rights - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:33:05

So don't question - just accept your premise as the starting - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:36:04

do you disagree with any of it? - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:37:15

I have never disagreed with that part - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:43:19

No, I'm not saying that. And if you want to have a - kmawv8 MU - 11/15 11:12:42

You cannot separate law and punishment - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:18:41

For discussion you can - meatiger MU - 11/15 11:20:35

Agreed - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 11:28:01

Good for you, fighting the pointless fight. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 10:07:45

They actually want laws that support what they think is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/15 10:10:57

Who has said none of us vote?(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 10:10:18

Non participation is the only moral choice ring a bell? - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 10:37:54

link? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 10:49:42

Your memory must be worse than bidens to need a link. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 10:54:45

there isn't a link because meat hasn't said it, so are you - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 10:59:08

Lol. I didn't say that meat said it. You did. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 11:09:34

you said "none of you vote" so are you lying again or is - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 11:12:46

of course I'm right - ashtray UF - 11/15 11:27:55

Ha ha ha . You think this is helping ? - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/15 11:27:49

that's what I thought (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 12:09:26

RE: that's what I thought (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/15 12:15:35

stop it - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 12:45:44

yes, that is said by some(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/15 10:44:45

RHAY (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/15 10:23:23

8th Tiger also accuses many of that as well - meatiger MU - 11/15 10:35:15

RE: RHAY (nm) - Panthera MU - 11/15 10:33:06