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Posted on: October 19, 2021 at 11:58:52 CT
pickle
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So to review, libertarians here have strongly disagreed with
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:23:15
Must be a record here. For length. If
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GA Tiger
MU
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10/19 11:52:44
One can not argue with anarchist no govt losers.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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10/19 12:06:49
when will you start doing that? (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 12:12:04
Sounds like one of the parties at the last Democrat national
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Outsider
MU
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10/19 11:01:14
Amazing when Libertarians are conflated with Dems
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:18:18
I guess I could have said any day on the downtown
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Outsider
MU
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10/19 11:42:06
Your immorality is well documented
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JG
A
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10/19 10:56:48
Is that your agrument against michigan's point? That is
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hokie
VT
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10/19 11:23:17
His point is that he is an incredible hypocrite
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JG
A
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10/19 13:52:24
Your truthfulness is well documented
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Fourth and Long
MU
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10/19 11:00:35
thanks indeed it has
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JG
A
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10/19 13:51:56
His hypocrisies are well documented. (nm)
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Outsider
MU
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10/19 11:02:17
Yes its easy to nail 4 tigs and you and hokie and.......
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JG
A
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10/19 13:53:06
Their morality is like their "rights". Only they know what
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hokie
VT
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10/19 10:54:53
you don’t pay attention (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 10:59:57
that's more of a description of your intelligence and
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:56:04
ZING, you got me. Good one. Off you go. nm
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hokie
VT
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10/19 11:10:38
I'm still here (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 12:11:09
Are you responsible for every Republican position then?
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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10/19 10:52:43
No, and I will call our ones that are clearly wrong
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:54:00
What’s more perverse than killing children?
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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10/19 10:57:50
You find deaths of innocents acceptable.
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 10:57:15
I find war to be abhorrent
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:00:09
You support the killing of innocents. &)(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:03:19
I realize it is an inevitable consequence of war
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:06:15
Some of us recognize abortion is the inevitable consequence
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:11:52
The only intent of abortion is to kill a child
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:13:07
A fetus is not a child. Nm
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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10/19 12:12:38
And what is the intent of a single act of war? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:33:07
Usually to weaken the enemy(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:33:42
By doing what? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:34:04
Taking out solders, equipment and land that are
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:35:17
So, killing people. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:37:26
Yes
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:39:59
Is it moral for you to go into another person's home, kill
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:43:02
That would most certainly not be moral(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:45:13
Agree. But that is what the US has been doing for many
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:52:15
And you are entitled to that view(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:53:59
Okay, well there you go. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:42:51
Killing soldiers in war is vastly different than targeting a
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:44:22
What is the intent of a single act of execution?
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:48:56
Murder is the intentional taking of innocent life
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:52:59
"innocent" is nowhere in any definition of murder(nm)
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:58:13
If there is no legal reason for taking the life
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:59:58
did Cain murder Abel? there was no gvmt
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pickle
MU
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10/19 12:03:53
no, there is no qualifier for murder (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:57:03
That didn't answer the question. Try again. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:53:39
I believe the death penalty is moral
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:55:10
"we"
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 12:06:52
What is the intent of a single act of execution?
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:58:27
To take the life or the guilty person
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 12:00:48
The intent is to kill a human being.
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 12:12:03
Killing criminals and enemy combatants is not
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 12:14:49
Any "criminal" ???
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 12:29:58
Of course not
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 12:30:58
talk about immoral. you're a POS (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 12:17:51
It’s murder (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 12:17:51
the death penalty is murder
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:57:50
you excuse the murder of children
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:48:50
The intent of a single act of war is to kill people and to
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:48:10
Correct, and war is a horrible thing
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:50:19
it's exactly like abortion unless you're an immoral POS (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 12:18:38
It's not an either/or. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:54:00
It absolutely is unless you equate the killing
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:56:59
How is assessing the intent behind abortions and acts of war
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:59:25
Law enforcement intentionally taking out an active
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 12:03:35
You're not doing a good job of showing that it's not an
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 12:13:11
There are degrees
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 12:15:27
That hasn't been debated in this thread. That's what you
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 12:21:44
you are dishonestly trying to reframe this
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pickle
MU
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10/19 12:05:10
impossible for him. it's like asking a snake not to bite (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 12:19:39
can you provide me a scale on the acceptibility of
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:47:38
Murder is wrong - period(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:51:55
* except kids murdered in war (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:58:52
including during war?(nm)
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:57:07
Yes
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:59:11
Isn't that exactly what a bomb does?(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 12:08:38
If one targeted an orphanage simply to kill children
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 12:10:56
understanding libertarianism and rights
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pickle
MU
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10/19 12:23:34
No it isn't. Many abortions are performed to save the life
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:15:09
Or even to prevent more harm to the kid
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:17:05
rethink that one meat (nm)
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SwampTiger
MU
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10/19 11:21:18
I can troll just as much as he can
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:23:14
Oh, my
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:24:25
I cannot believe he posted that (nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:21:48
May be the meatiest post ever
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:20:04
yes
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:22:10
So to prevent more harm
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:23:24
That might be what a professional would say
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:25:07
No professional would say thar
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:26:42
Professionals
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:29:42
If they take out baby #8 they will not say
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:32:35
No, the abortion is performed to kill the child
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:16:44
The baby is collateral damage in an attempt to save the mom(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:19:59
Actually, the health of the mother is collateral benefit
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:21:10
so you're good with it
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 11:06:36
yet you refuse to call it murder
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:00:55
Collateral damage is a term used to dehumanize the lives
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:08:41
much like insisting on using the term "Fetus" to dehumanize
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:26:18
That is what I am hoping 4Tigs recognizes.(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:32:43
He won't. He's a master of hypocrisy (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 11:46:38
phony is an understatement (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 11:02:53
how can anybody be a Christian based on 4Taliban's beliefs?
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:57:53
There are many good Christian people
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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10/19 11:00:07
Then I guess 4Taliban isn't one of them (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 11:47:27
no you won't (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:55:15
lol
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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10/19 10:50:13
don't collectivize. Just because there are some that might
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:35:08
Here are some Christian views...
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 10:37:40
RE: Here are some Christian views...
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Catturd
USMC
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10/19 10:49:46
that says nothing about the topic
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:50:35
Just shows that we are the real deal
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Catturd
USMC
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10/19 10:52:42
I don't recall any scriptures promoting war and overthrowing
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 10:54:45
You should sit down right now and read
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:55:45
We are not Israel. We are not a nation being established to
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:01:45
I did not say God always called for it
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:07:08
Paul made it clear the position Christians should take and
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:13:28
And again, I can only respond to your point you make
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:15:27
smug doesn't pay attention troll (nm)
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SwampTiger
MU
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10/19 11:34:32
No, TM said "I don't recall any scriptures promoting war and
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:32:30
It's why he's on the list
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 11:50:10
Yet you didn't. I was specific in scripture applying to
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:20:53
My bad if that was your intent
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:39:18
he specifically said "christians", of course it was his
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:42:41
you clearly stated "christians" in your first post-
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:34:07
no, you are so far from what the founders believed
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:54:35
correct. I hope others don't act like 4smugs and attributes
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:45:27
I have made clear those views are not Christian
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:48:04
And others would disagree with you. See how this works?
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 10:52:16
Not one poster here has refuted the immoral stances
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:57:13
It was done repeatedly yesterday.(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:24:02
he’s a dishonest troll (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:30:37
when will you refute the immoral stance of murdering
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:59:02
They most certainly are not as they deny the
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:39:39
No True Scotsman fallacy?(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 10:41:04
that's his specialty (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:42:05
I can't believe 4TalibansinMichigan is so immoral
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:38:31
And I would readily and boldly distance myself from
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:36:54
double down on your lies
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:37:48
always with the mischaracterizations
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pickle
MU
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10/19 10:28:44
bullshyte. You have openly stated all of that.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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10/19 10:40:21
not even once (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:05:05
Imagine being such a degenerate that when
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:41:18
Yet, at same time, pickle has NEVER denounced them.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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10/19 10:49:48
LOL... obviously you don't even understand or remember
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:51:47
I put the questions to him in a simple yes or no format.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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10/19 10:56:52
maybe you are just too retarded to ask a question
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:59:29
pretty sure you just described yourself there, idiot.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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10/19 11:19:25
Have you stopped raping kids yet?
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 11:45:11
Or we are told they are strawman arguments
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:51:16
imagine being such a degenerate, when faced with your
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:42:49
never to early to post a lie, is it PEDOWORTH? (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:41:07
The natural, negative rights are the rights to
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 10:27:43
I know that
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:30:16
From your moral stance, how are you able to determine
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:44:06
I believe there is a right for consenting adults to do
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:46:56
They are victims if their rights are violated during the act
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:53:01
How is one victimized by seeing an adult jerking off?
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:49:47
Children being exposed to sexuality at young ages
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:52:59
we should outlaw divorces and single parent pregnancies
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:54:57
I believe we should make those more difficult
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:59:03
You justified outlawing wanking
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:01:37
One is openly immoral behavior in front of
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:08:39
what right is infringed upon? (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:18:40
his feelings (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 12:25:52
An unwed parent or divorce
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:14:36
No, being a very good unwed parent is a very moral
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:18:36
That would be fornication though which is a mortal sin.(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 11:29:50
I was asked about being an unwed parent
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:46:46
Only if they repent of fornication otherwise they are not
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 12:15:36
It is still damaging to kids
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:24:06
So is a poor diet
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:25:58
How is that not immoral
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 11:27:40
And purposefully feeding your child crap would be
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:31:32
And this is where you argued yourself into a circle.
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:40:34
He always starts at the end
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 12:04:57
Junk food - yes. Feces - no
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:48:39
Now it is excessive sexuality? lol(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 12:05:38
pure emotion, no logic or reason (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 12:25:32
but you are polluting a temple of the holy spirit. Who made
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:59:54
too much screen time is also damaging(nm)
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:54:55
he's a great virtue signaler, though
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:52:46
"right" does not mean "entitled to" or "authorized to do"
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 10:35:30
So is there a right to possess child porn or
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:38:15
No, there is no specific right to those actions.
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 10:47:31
Then you truly need to remove pickle, ashtray from group.
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RHAYWORTH
MU
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10/19 10:52:57
They don't do that. That's the strawman that I just
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:33:37
your straw man arguments are not my beliefs (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:10:04
Well stated
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:09:41
nobody supports your pedophilia, PEDOWORTH (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:53:34
Only because libertarians here have taken those
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:50:05
They haven't taken those positions. That is the strawman
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ummmm
MU
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10/19 11:34:52
coming up on 7 years when 4Tigs created it
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:43:11
no one has taken those positions
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:13:03
The abortion view is a mixed view
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:52:46
also..the comments by DG and ummm
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:53:09
I would hope so
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:02:59
why not just post "I don't understand what a right is"?
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:31:15
but if you do not force your morals unto others
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:29:23
Libertarianism is a moral code meat(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:30:57
no it isn’t. It informs a moral code based on natural rights
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:08:54
No it isn't.(nm)
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TigerMatt
KC
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10/19 10:32:20
you are trying to force your personal morals onto it
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:31:38
So it’s OK to impose a bit of morality
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:32:51
your morals are based off personal choices/emotion
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:34:40
Oh, you mean his views on natural rights
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:35:46
His view are consistent...yours are not
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:42:47
But since his moral code is consistent in your eyes
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:11:08
What did the Founding Father's say about killin babies and
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Catturd
USMC
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10/19 10:41:39
what did the founders say about those?(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:43:31
And notice none of them address the stated views
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:42:54
LOL.. so NOW you're looking for discussion
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:43:39
No individual libertarian here speaks for all
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glue
MU
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10/19 10:27:21
4TalibansinMichigan is locked into identity politics
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:29:26
But outside of ummmm on the abortion point
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:28:46
then you aren't paying attention(nm)
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:46:26
his reason on abortion
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:30:39
He made clear there is no such right
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:31:57
pickle also posted an article that also refuted that there
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 10:47:05
Well if he has changed his position, good for him
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 11:14:32
that's a dumb excuse for your laziness and innatention(nm)
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dangertim
MU
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10/19 11:43:48
you see, i once said “**** the police”
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:52:56
no, that’s not why (nm)
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pickle
MU
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10/19 11:20:26
Did you read the follow up in the question I posed?(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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10/19 10:33:35
he's also incorrect (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:33:13
because they’re straw man arguments
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pickle
MU
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10/19 10:30:26
Day 2, electic boogaloo(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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10/19 10:26:14
Will anyone defend those stated views as moral
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:27:36
Looks like we have our answer
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:33:43
LOL. nm.
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MUTGR
MU
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10/19 10:25:21
smug collectivist troll (nm)
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SwampTiger
MU
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10/19 10:25:02
I will take that as clear concession(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:26:10
smug dishonest troll (nm)
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SwampTiger
MU
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10/19 10:32:53
Better that than an immoral pervert(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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10/19 10:34:28
smug immoral troll (nm)
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SwampTiger
MU
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10/19 10:39:10
lying is immoral unless you're a fake Christian, too (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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10/19 10:36:40