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Posted on: October 19, 2021 at 11:01:45 CT
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bring the Messiah so that all may be saved. The Messiah already came.

To pull out MizzouTigerz favorite chapter, read Romans 13. Paul does not call for revolution. In fact, he warns Christians against it.
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So to review, libertarians here have strongly disagreed with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:23:15
     Must be a record here. For length. If - GA Tiger MU - 10/19 11:52:44
          One can not argue with anarchist no govt losers. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/19 12:06:49
               when will you start doing that? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 12:12:04
     Sounds like one of the parties at the last Democrat national - Outsider MU - 10/19 11:01:14
          Amazing when Libertarians are conflated with Dems - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:18:18
               I guess I could have said any day on the downtown - Outsider MU - 10/19 11:42:06
     Your immorality is well documented - JG A - 10/19 10:56:48
          Is that your agrument against michigan's point? That is - hokie VT - 10/19 11:23:17
               His point is that he is an incredible hypocrite - JG A - 10/19 13:52:24
          Your truthfulness is well documented - Fourth and Long MU - 10/19 11:00:35
               thanks indeed it has - JG A - 10/19 13:51:56
               His hypocrisies are well documented. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/19 11:02:17
                    Yes its easy to nail 4 tigs and you and hokie and....... - JG A - 10/19 13:53:06
     Their morality is like their "rights". Only they know what - hokie VT - 10/19 10:54:53
          you don’t pay attention (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 10:59:57
          that's more of a description of your intelligence and - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:56:04
               ZING, you got me. Good one. Off you go. nm - hokie VT - 10/19 11:10:38
                    I'm still here (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 12:11:09
     Are you responsible for every Republican position then? - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/19 10:52:43
          No, and I will call our ones that are clearly wrong - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:54:00
               What’s more perverse than killing children? - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/19 10:57:50
               You find deaths of innocents acceptable. - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 10:57:15
                    I find war to be abhorrent - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:00:09
                         You support the killing of innocents. &)(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:03:19
                              I realize it is an inevitable consequence of war - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:06:15
                                   Some of us recognize abortion is the inevitable consequence - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:11:52
                                        The only intent of abortion is to kill a child - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:13:07
                                             A fetus is not a child. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 10/19 12:12:38
                                             And what is the intent of a single act of war? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:33:07
                                                  Usually to weaken the enemy(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:33:42
                                                       By doing what? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:34:04
                                                            Taking out solders, equipment and land that are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:35:17
                                                                 So, killing people. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:37:26
                                                                      Yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:39:59
                                                                           Is it moral for you to go into another person's home, kill - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:43:02
                                                                                That would most certainly not be moral(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:45:13
                                                                                     Agree. But that is what the US has been doing for many - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:52:15
                                                                                          And you are entitled to that view(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:53:59
                                                                           Okay, well there you go. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:42:51
                                                                                Killing soldiers in war is vastly different than targeting a - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:44:22
                                                                                     What is the intent of a single act of execution? - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:48:56
                                                                                          Murder is the intentional taking of innocent life - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:52:59
                                                                                               "innocent" is nowhere in any definition of murder(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:58:13
                                                                                                    If there is no legal reason for taking the life - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:59:58
                                                                                                         did Cain murder Abel? there was no gvmt - pickle MU - 10/19 12:03:53
                                                                                               no, there is no qualifier for murder (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:57:03
                                                                                               That didn't answer the question. Try again. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:53:39
                                                                                                    I believe the death penalty is moral - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:55:10
                                                                                                         "we" - meatiger MU - 10/19 12:06:52
                                                                                                         What is the intent of a single act of execution? - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:58:27
                                                                                                              To take the life or the guilty person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 12:00:48
                                                                                                                   The intent is to kill a human being. - ummmm MU - 10/19 12:12:03
                                                                                                                        Killing criminals and enemy combatants is not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 12:14:49
                                                                                                                             Any "criminal" ??? - ummmm MU - 10/19 12:29:58
                                                                                                                                  Of course not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 12:30:58
                                                                                                                             talk about immoral. you're a POS (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 12:17:51
                                                                                                                             It’s murder (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 12:17:51
                                                                                                         the death penalty is murder - pickle MU - 10/19 11:57:50
                                                                                     you excuse the murder of children - pickle MU - 10/19 11:48:50
                                                                                     The intent of a single act of war is to kill people and to - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:48:10
                                                                                          Correct, and war is a horrible thing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:50:19
                                                                                               it's exactly like abortion unless you're an immoral POS (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 12:18:38
                                                                                               It's not an either/or. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:54:00
                                                                                                    It absolutely is unless you equate the killing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:56:59
                                                                                                         How is assessing the intent behind abortions and acts of war - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:59:25
                                                                                                              Law enforcement intentionally taking out an active - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 12:03:35
                                                                                                                   You're not doing a good job of showing that it's not an - ummmm MU - 10/19 12:13:11
                                                                                                                        There are degrees - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 12:15:27
                                                                                                                             That hasn't been debated in this thread. That's what you - ummmm MU - 10/19 12:21:44
                                                                                                                   you are dishonestly trying to reframe this - pickle MU - 10/19 12:05:10
                                                                                                                        impossible for him. it's like asking a snake not to bite (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 12:19:39
                                                                                     can you provide me a scale on the acceptibility of - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:47:38
                                                                                          Murder is wrong - period(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:51:55
                                                                                               * except kids murdered in war (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:58:52
                                                                                               including during war?(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:57:07
                                                                                                    Yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:59:11
                                                                                                         Isn't that exactly what a bomb does?(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/19 12:08:38
                                                                                                              If one targeted an orphanage simply to kill children - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 12:10:56
                                                                                                                   understanding libertarianism and rights - pickle MU - 10/19 12:23:34
                                             No it isn't. Many abortions are performed to save the life - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:15:09
                                                  Or even to prevent more harm to the kid - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:17:05
                                                       rethink that one meat (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/19 11:21:18
                                                            I can troll just as much as he can - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:23:14
                                                                 Oh, my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:24:25
                                                            I cannot believe he posted that (nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:21:48
                                                       May be the meatiest post ever - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:20:04
                                                            yes - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:22:10
                                                                 So to prevent more harm - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:23:24
                                                                      That might be what a professional would say - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:25:07
                                                                           No professional would say thar - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:26:42
                                                                                Professionals - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:29:42
                                                                                     If they take out baby #8 they will not say - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:32:35
                                                  No, the abortion is performed to kill the child - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:16:44
                                                       The baby is collateral damage in an attempt to save the mom(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:19:59
                                                            Actually, the health of the mother is collateral benefit - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:21:10
                                   so you're good with it - ashtray UF - 10/19 11:06:36
                         yet you refuse to call it murder - pickle MU - 10/19 11:00:55
                              Collateral damage is a term used to dehumanize the lives - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:08:41
                                   much like insisting on using the term "Fetus" to dehumanize - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:26:18
                                        That is what I am hoping 4Tigs recognizes.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:32:43
                                             He won't. He's a master of hypocrisy (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 11:46:38
                              phony is an understatement (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 11:02:53
                    how can anybody be a Christian based on 4Taliban's beliefs? - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:57:53
                         There are many good Christian people - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/19 11:00:07
                              Then I guess 4Taliban isn't one of them (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 11:47:27
               no you won't (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:55:15
     lol - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/19 10:50:13
     don't collectivize. Just because there are some that might - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:35:08
          Here are some Christian views... - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 10:37:40
               RE: Here are some Christian views... - Catturd USMC - 10/19 10:49:46
                    that says nothing about the topic - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:50:35
                         Just shows that we are the real deal - Catturd USMC - 10/19 10:52:42
                              I don't recall any scriptures promoting war and overthrowing - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 10:54:45
                                   You should sit down right now and read - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:55:45
                                        We are not Israel. We are not a nation being established to - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:01:45
                                             I did not say God always called for it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:07:08
                                                  Paul made it clear the position Christians should take and - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:13:28
                                                       And again, I can only respond to your point you make - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:15:27
                                                            smug doesn't pay attention troll (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/19 11:34:32
                                                            No, TM said "I don't recall any scriptures promoting war and - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:32:30
                                                                 It's why he's on the list - ashtray UF - 10/19 11:50:10
                                                            Yet you didn't. I was specific in scripture applying to - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:20:53
                                                                 My bad if that was your intent - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:39:18
                                                                      he specifically said "christians", of course it was his - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:42:41
                                                                 you clearly stated "christians" in your first post- - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:34:07
                              no, you are so far from what the founders believed - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:54:35
               correct. I hope others don't act like 4smugs and attributes - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:45:27
                    I have made clear those views are not Christian - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:48:04
                         And others would disagree with you. See how this works? - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 10:52:16
                              Not one poster here has refuted the immoral stances - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:57:13
                                   It was done repeatedly yesterday.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:24:02
                                        he’s a dishonest troll (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:30:37
                                   when will you refute the immoral stance of murdering - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:59:02
               They most certainly are not as they deny the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:39:39
                    No True Scotsman fallacy?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 10:41:04
                         that's his specialty (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:42:05
               I can't believe 4TalibansinMichigan is so immoral - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:38:31
          And I would readily and boldly distance myself from - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:36:54
               double down on your lies - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:37:48
     always with the mischaracterizations - pickle MU - 10/19 10:28:44
          bullshyte. You have openly stated all of that. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/19 10:40:21
               not even once (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:05:05
               Imagine being such a degenerate that when - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:41:18
                    Yet, at same time, pickle has NEVER denounced them. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/19 10:49:48
                         LOL... obviously you don't even understand or remember - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:51:47
                              I put the questions to him in a simple yes or no format. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/19 10:56:52
                                   maybe you are just too retarded to ask a question - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:59:29
                                        pretty sure you just described yourself there, idiot. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/19 11:19:25
                                             Have you stopped raping kids yet? - ashtray UF - 10/19 11:45:11
                         Or we are told they are strawman arguments - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:51:16
                    imagine being such a degenerate, when faced with your - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:42:49
               never to early to post a lie, is it PEDOWORTH? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:41:07
     The natural, negative rights are the rights to - ummmm MU - 10/19 10:27:43
          I know that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:30:16
               From your moral stance, how are you able to determine - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:44:06
                    I believe there is a right for consenting adults to do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:46:56
                         They are victims if their rights are violated during the act - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:53:01
                         How is one victimized by seeing an adult jerking off? - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:49:47
                              Children being exposed to sexuality at young ages - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:52:59
                                   we should outlaw divorces and single parent pregnancies - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:54:57
                                        I believe we should make those more difficult - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:59:03
                                             You justified outlawing wanking - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:01:37
                                                  One is openly immoral behavior in front of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:08:39
                                                       what right is infringed upon? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:18:40
                                                            his feelings (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 12:25:52
                                                       An unwed parent or divorce - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:14:36
                                                            No, being a very good unwed parent is a very moral - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:18:36
                                                                 That would be fornication though which is a mortal sin.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 11:29:50
                                                                      I was asked about being an unwed parent - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:46:46
                                                                           Only if they repent of fornication otherwise they are not - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 12:15:36
                                                                 It is still damaging to kids - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:24:06
                                                                      So is a poor diet - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:25:58
                                                                           How is that not immoral - meatiger MU - 10/19 11:27:40
                                                                                And purposefully feeding your child crap would be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:31:32
                                                                                     And this is where you argued yourself into a circle. - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:40:34
                                                                                          He always starts at the end - meatiger MU - 10/19 12:04:57
                                                                                          Junk food - yes. Feces - no - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:48:39
                                                                                               Now it is excessive sexuality? lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/19 12:05:38
                                                                                                    pure emotion, no logic or reason (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 12:25:32
                                                                                               but you are polluting a temple of the holy spirit. Who made - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:59:54
                                   too much screen time is also damaging(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:54:55
                              he's a great virtue signaler, though - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:52:46
               "right" does not mean "entitled to" or "authorized to do" - ummmm MU - 10/19 10:35:30
                    So is there a right to possess child porn or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:38:15
                         No, there is no specific right to those actions. - ummmm MU - 10/19 10:47:31
                              Then you truly need to remove pickle, ashtray from group. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/19 10:52:57
                                   They don't do that. That's the strawman that I just - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:33:37
                                   your straw man arguments are not my beliefs (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:10:04
                                   Well stated - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:09:41
                                   nobody supports your pedophilia, PEDOWORTH (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:53:34
                              Only because libertarians here have taken those - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:50:05
                                   They haven't taken those positions. That is the strawman - ummmm MU - 10/19 11:34:52
                                        coming up on 7 years when 4Tigs created it - pickle MU - 10/19 11:43:11
                                   no one has taken those positions - pickle MU - 10/19 11:13:03
                                   The abortion view is a mixed view - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:52:46
                                        also..the comments by DG and ummm - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:53:09
                                             I would hope so - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:02:59
               why not just post "I don't understand what a right is"? - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:31:15
          but if you do not force your morals unto others - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:29:23
               Libertarianism is a moral code meat(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:30:57
                    no it isn’t. It informs a moral code based on natural rights - pickle MU - 10/19 11:08:54
                    No it isn't.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/19 10:32:20
                    you are trying to force your personal morals onto it - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:31:38
                         So it’s OK to impose a bit of morality - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:32:51
                              your morals are based off personal choices/emotion - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:34:40
                                   Oh, you mean his views on natural rights - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:35:46
                                        His view are consistent...yours are not - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:42:47
                                             But since his moral code is consistent in your eyes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:11:08
                                        What did the Founding Father's say about killin babies and - Catturd USMC - 10/19 10:41:39
                                             what did the founders say about those?(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:43:31
                                             And notice none of them address the stated views - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:42:54
                                                  LOL.. so NOW you're looking for discussion - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:43:39
     No individual libertarian here speaks for all - glue MU - 10/19 10:27:21
          4TalibansinMichigan is locked into identity politics - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:29:26
          But outside of ummmm on the abortion point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:28:46
               then you aren't paying attention(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:46:26
               his reason on abortion - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:30:39
                    He made clear there is no such right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:31:57
                         pickle also posted an article that also refuted that there - dangertim MU - 10/19 10:47:05
                              Well if he has changed his position, good for him - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 11:14:32
                                   that's a dumb excuse for your laziness and innatention(nm) - dangertim MU - 10/19 11:43:48
                                        you see, i once said “**** the police” - pickle MU - 10/19 11:52:56
                                   no, that’s not why (nm) - pickle MU - 10/19 11:20:26
                         Did you read the follow up in the question I posed?(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/19 10:33:35
                         he's also incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:33:13
               because they’re straw man arguments - pickle MU - 10/19 10:30:26
     Day 2, electic boogaloo(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/19 10:26:14
          Will anyone defend those stated views as moral - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:27:36
               Looks like we have our answer - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:33:43
     LOL. nm. - MUTGR MU - 10/19 10:25:21
     smug collectivist troll (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/19 10:25:02
          I will take that as clear concession(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:26:10
               smug dishonest troll (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/19 10:32:53
                    Better that than an immoral pervert(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/19 10:34:28
                         smug immoral troll (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/19 10:39:10
                         lying is immoral unless you're a fake Christian, too (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/19 10:36:40




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